Posted on 04/17/2009 10:17:36 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
Article VII sets out the provision for original ratification, and that Article IV empowers Congress to admit new States, but that no provision of the Constitution authorizes a state to leave the Union or bars it from doing so. The constitution does not say anything about states leaving.
That was my thinking. A state is a sovereign that voluntarily joined a group of United States (look at the term and its proper grammatical usage closely) for mutual defense and benefit. The state should be free to leave when it no longer see a benefit.
Hard to be the U.S. Senator from Texas is Texas has left the U.S.A.
My dad used to support secession because the Constitution was a contract that was freely entered into. I argued that ALL contracts are freely entered into, but they are still binding until a remedy is exercised within that contract.
The “remedy” within the “contract” of the U.S. Constitution would be a vote by Congress passed by the President (or overriding of his veto).
Great point.
I think were any State to actually Secede, the citizenry would find it a VERY expensive post-partum.
secession ping
But you assume we can take this country back. We can’t.
Too much voter fraud and socialist control of information.
Time to withdraw and allow the enemy to consume itself.
Who is John Galt?
The South is a lot better armed this time. We also have all the fighting men and our women are pretty tough, too.
Not that our Confederate fathers and mothers weren’t, but they really had no industry. That is a telling difference and why we carpet-bombed industrial cities in Germany and Japan during WW II. Sooner or later, that level of one-sided destruction catches up with the other side’s production.
Now, thing is, I’m pretty sure NC, where I live, is now so purple that it would twist itself into a political pretzel trying to decide what to do, even though we have the largest Army base in the nation, as well as Camp Lejeune. You’d think that would pretty much settle the question, but the other thing is, I’m pretty sure the military is going to really consider whether to join a seccession or not. An oath to preserve and protect the Constitution is taken very seriously in these parts.
For myself, I’ve taken an oath never to countenance disloyalty or rebellion. So you know where I would have to stand, short of open imposition of tyranny. Then, bets would be off.
Also known as the "Forgotten Amendment".
Each party in recent history has found the electoral college to be a very fickle double edged blade. Sing it’s praises when it’s with you, damn it when it’s against you.
Any thoughtful person is going to realize they have a better chance of reforming our government than trying to establish a new nation. Any state that successfully seceded would immediately become a haven for every enemy of the U.S.
So WHEN DO YOU stand up to the Imperial Federal Government?
AFTER
They garnish your pay at tyrannical rates or should I say confiscate your pay?
The IFG brainwashes your children and grandchildren in IFG funded schools to worship on the altar of the IFG?
The IFG dictates the secular morality of anything goes is fully enforced and sexual deviancy is the “norm” with mandatory abortion unless you have a license to procreate?
The IFG becomes the most modern Fascist state ever created with the ability to monitor in real time every form of communications allowed to the IFG’s subjects?
The Enlightened Leader holds mass rallies under the stars with synchronized search lights?
The MSM continues not to report but advocate for an even stronger IFG?
Well, it’s almost all been done... the only thing to do before an open
revolution is to VOTE every politician (any party) out of office in every election while we still can VOTE.
NO MORE “PROFESSIONAL” POLITICIANS AND NO MORE “GENTLEMEN’S CLUB” SENATE!
THROW THE BUMS OUT BEFORE THIS NATION ERUPTS IN CIVIL WAR!
10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Article: "Article VII sets out the provision for original ratification, and that Article IV empowers Congress to admit new States, but that no provision of the Constitution authorizes a state to leave the Union or bars it from doing so. The constitution does not say anything about states leaving."
I read the Constitution exactly as you do. Secession is not addressed; therefore that power is reserved to the States. That is the most natural (and in fact the only natural) reading of the Constitution as written. I don't think secession is a good option, at this point, but it is not my place (or a socialist community organizer's place) to make that decision for Texas, for Alaska, or for any other state.
>> Texas can become five states but it can’t legally secede.
...unless the US refuses to accomodate the five state split. Then it CAN leave the union (and take parts of several other states with it).
According to past agreements, anyway. Whether or not it would actually come to pass is anyone’s guess. My guess is no.
One would assume that if the people of their state want to leave then the congressmen and senators would not have a problem voting themselves out of a job. If they don't then they won't have a job after the next election anyway.
My dad used to support secession because the Constitution was a contract that was freely entered into. I argued that ALL contracts are freely entered into, but they are still binding until a remedy is exercised within that contract.
But with the exception of the original 13, states didn't enter freely into anything. They were allowed in, and only after a majority of the existing states said OK.
The “remedy” within the “contract” of the U.S. Constitution would be a vote by Congress passed by the President (or overriding of his veto).
I would argue that since the President plays no part in admitting a state then he should play no part in allowing them to leave.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Then we'd have 108 senators. How would they vote?
The short answer is no.
If Texas can, then I’m moving there and no, I don’t think I’m kidding!!
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