Posted on 04/17/2009 10:17:36 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
Article VII sets out the provision for original ratification, and that Article IV empowers Congress to admit new States, but that no provision of the Constitution authorizes a state to leave the Union or bars it from doing so. The constitution does not say anything about states leaving.
I sure wish you would tell us what the dickens you are talking about here. I think your history is way off base.
“The liberals are having a field day with this. They’ll use it to condone conservatives as traitors bent on destroying America.”
LOL, Yankees say the same thing!
Works for me!
If conservatives can’t retake the party, how can they retake the country?
Because they control the media, academia, and the government. They are setting the agenda now. We need to take all three back if we are to have a chance, and we won’t to that by saying things that make us look like nutters in the eyes of the average American.
You make such long, sweeping, rambling posts that it takes too much effort to point out all the anti American mistakes that you make.
There was never any small pox used on Indians by the United States and what are the many atrocities carried out by US army troops against Indians?
You can do a lot when you have the means of force to make it happen.
[Texas did, however, reserve the right to separate into as many as four additional states.
We also kept possession of all our public lands — they were not ceded to the Union.]
Right. I have read about this too.
If the US didn’t inflict genocide on the Native Americans, then there is no such thing as “genocide” and our troops should be fully engaged in doing all the things we did to the NA’s on a daily basis to anyone who crosses our path.
If you are not willing to admit genocide, what about “war crimes” no matter what laws and treaties were in effect at the time?
There is much debate about whether or not the US comitted Genocide on the Native Americans.
I for one, maintain the US did engage in genocide of Native Americans.
And I make no apologies for it.
Gotta do what ya gotta due when implementing a righteous doctrine of Manifest Destiny which indeed it was.
Now, just because I don’t apologize for what I consider genocide against the NA’s doesn’t mean I don’t respect them or think that its still a shame in the general sense of the word. However they were also stone age savages who practiced torture, genocide, slavery and brutality despite all the “Nobel Savage” stuff.
Look, I’m just a realist. I understand many have problems with that.
So now that’s settled.
Ok, for the sake of argument lets strip the Native American question out of the discussion.
How about addressing point by point the other atrocities the US has been engaged in?
Again, to remind you sir - I am in the camp that both acknowledges history - and make no bones about it.
I don’t apologize for any of it - one whit. And why should I?
The founders of the Declaration of Independence gave reasons for separation from England, and those same reasons apply to the tyranny of our federal government today. The very thing that our founding fathers feared most has come to fruition. I would encourage you to read Mark Levin’s book, especially the first couple of chapters. You can’t help but read what the founding fathers thought and wrote to see that our current federal government is worse than King George ever was.
I’m not interested in going through hours of history lessons with you, from interning German Americans to genocide and biological warfare against the Indians, it is too late in the evening to get started on all that, it would take too long and you don’t seem interested anyway.
Somebody got to you and gave you the typical shallow anti American version of history and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.
What you should do is pick out a couple of specifics from your versions of history that you have posted and start one or more vanity posts in general chat, then the guys that are willing can set you straight on our history.
Dresden would be a good one as would genocide, and the smallpox myth would be an excellent one too, just about any of the ones you have posted will draw some people that like to expose bad history, have fun.
Texas already founded a nation by defeating what some historians describe as the most powerful military on the continent.
“Shallow anti-American version”? Nice attempt at a canard – but surely you can do better. Then again, I am starting to have my doubts that you are up to the task.
What part of any of those historic events do you deny happened? How does recognizing a historical fact equate with being an “Anti-American”?
Is there a “historical fact phobia”?
Your intellectual prowess seems to extend mostly to calls of “anti-American” when you get stuck wrapping your mind around the concept of:
“Acknowledge well established historical facts and don’t apologize for them or feel guilty about them just because the Left tells you to”.
I know - tough one to grasp for some people. A lot of people just can’t accept certain things and instead desperately try to revise.
This stuff is bi-partisan history. Many if not most of these atrocities were committed by Democrat administrations.
The difference between me and you is that I will recognize historic facts and not apologize for them. You prefer to deny them and attempt to revise the facts because, I am assuming, it makes your conscience “feel better” or something.
Let’s say its a draw or still a subject of debate on the Native American / Indigenous Peoples question as far as genocide or or genocide-like acts by not only the British and Americans but the Spanish, Mexicans etc., even though there were once millions of Native Americans in the USA and tens of millions in the Americas who the land belonged to and they are but a shell of what they once were.
Let me put it this way. If there was a stone age tribe and today in 2009 we invaded them and treated them the exact same way - it would be called genocide.
Even so, you are still, for some really odd reason, appear to be unable to admit that America has engaged in the following acts:
The US Democrat Government fire bombed Dresden and other cities killing tens of thousands of unarmed civilians.
True or false?
The US Democrat Government rounded up thousands of Americans of Japanese decent and some Germans and placed them in internment camps.
True or false?
The US Democrat Government firebombed Tokyo causing more immediate deaths than either of the two nuke strikes, up to 124,711 casualties including both killed and wounded and 286,358 buildings and homes destroyed. Some historians put the deaths at over 100,000, injuries at a million and homeless residents at a million and current estimates are considered low.
True or false?
The US Democrat Government carpet bombed and napalmed areas in Vietnam and used mass quantities of defoliant.
True or false?
Under a Democrat administration, American troops massacred 347 to 504 unarmed villagers, old men, women, children some who were raped, tortured, deliberately mutilated and brutalized at My Lai - to include all the animals.
True or false?
Many My Lai-like incidents carried out by American troops can be cited from the Indian wars
True or false?
Under a Democrat administration, the US nuked cities full of unarmed civilians along with military targets.
True or false?
The US Democrats had a system of legalized slavery where you could do whatever you wanted to a slave to include kill ‘em with little or no repercussion, causing massive suffering and trauma to the slaves, separating of families selling off children from their mothers, and caused trauma to their psyche (Several definitions of genocide being met here).
True or false?
My answer to all those historic facts is “True” and unlike you appear to be, I’m not afraid to acknowledge certain facts.
Do I apologize for these things that happened? No. And I should personally, because? I wasn’t there and I wasn’t involved and if one tries to blame me for it I’ll tell ‘em ta piss up a rope”. I reject accepting blame out of hand. That is something Libtards love to do and then turn around and paint it all on anyone but their party who is responsible for most of it.
If our side was smart, we would turn all these things around on the Democrats instead of allowing them to turn them around on us somehow.
You seem to be struggling with even getting past the first part of being able to articulate that extremely well documented things that happened in history - actually even happened.
I am beginning to wonder if you are even able to admit that what you did yesterday actually happened...
Not sure what your defense mechanism is here, probably a guilt trip of some sort that I don’t share.
I certainly don’t blame America for any of it. Why should I? Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes is my answer. Even those we brutalized. Tough. Sucks to be you.
You seem to be unable to not confuse the two concepts of both Acknowledgment and a follow-on attitude of ; “Yep, we did it and there’s a whole lot more of that where that came from - enemy dirtbags” - which is my philosophy.
In essence it is truly YOU who are so politically correct you are fearful of even admitting things that actually happened as historical fact. Perhaps it makes you very uncomfortable to acknowledge these things. Me, I think we did ‘em and am damn glad we did in many cases. Otherwise America wouldn’t be here.
If there is any blame for America, its actually for not doing more instead of pussyfooting around the way we do nowadays so concerned about coddling the enemy and putting panties on their heads.
But hey, that’s just me.
Maybe you have never encountered my position which is acknowledgment of indisputable facts and not apologizing or blaming America for them. To think my way requires thinking outside those small boxes people like to tuck themselves into.
Did we put people in Abu Ghraib and smack them around a bit?
Yep.
Have we engaged in “Rendition”? Yep.
Am I glad? Yep.
Do we have prisoners in Gitmo for years who have not been given any formal charges?
Yep.
Do I apologize for it? Nope.
Am I glad? Yep.
It may be you who is truly brainwashed by the Left to be so fearful and apologetic that you end up in denial even over reality.
For example: One of the primary reasons we invaded Iraq was on the pretense of finding a well developed nuclear weapons program or one well under way. We don’t have one to hold up as evidence afterward. We don’t have any significant centrifuges or anything else really besides mostly weak stuff to point to if we were to go purely on the reasons given.
Meanwhile Iran has over 7,000 well developed sophisticated centrifuges and a nuclear weapons program well under way. As does North Korea.
Do I apologize for Iraq? NO. Damn glad we took out one of the three in the Axis.
Am I blaming America by stating and acknowledging facts about it? Nope.
Do I think Bush did the right thing? YES.
Have I heard a lot of retarded arguments and trying to play a few old chem shells off as evidence of a major WMD program? Yes.
Do I think Iraq had a nuke program and its in Syria or Iran? Maybe.
Does that matter? Nope.
Am I glad Hussein and his two psycho sons are dead? Dancing in the street with glee-glad.
Was it a “War for Oil”? Probably in part.
Do I care? Nope.
If you knew anything about history you would not even post such a long, sweeping, rambling post and think that anyone was going to devote days of their life to answering it for you.
Pick out something simple like your United States having used biological smallpox warfare on the Indians claim and put it on general chat and it will be discussed.
If you knew anything about history you would be able to pick one that you have avoided answering - and answer it.
You mean like post 288?
I’ll tighten this up a little, almost everyone in America knows that the American army (or government)gave poisoned smallpox blankets to the Indians, it is just a fact to most Americans.
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