Posted on 04/17/2009 6:47:42 AM PDT by bestintxas
Thirty-one percent (31%) of Texas voters say that their state has the right to secede from the United States and form an independent country.
However, the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in the state finds that if the matter was put to a vote, it wouldn’t even be close. Three-fourths (75%) of Lone Star State voters would opt to remain in the United States. Only 18% would vote to secede, and seven percent (7%) are not sure what they'd choose.
Texas Governor Rick Perry, in response to a reporter’s question about secession at a protest "tea party," said Wednesday, "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that? But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." The comment was widely reported in the media.
(Excerpt) Read more at rasmussenreports.com ...
I agree. I live in Texas and there is no ground swell to secede, we are American first and then Texan, but then given provocation by the federal government and the right leadership in the state there could be a push for it, but not now.
Though dost post to much. This is making you nervous. It shows. You have proven yourself to be in favor of one world government, troll.
You said — Though dost post to much. This is making you nervous. It shows. You have proven yourself to be in favor of one world government, troll.
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Yes, I do post much.... about 16,000 posts... LOL...
It goes with the territory, when I get on a thread...
“The last Secession vote in Texas was only about 66%...”
Wrong. The vote against Secession was only about 18%.
Every Texan should know that they have the right to secede. The federal government agreed to this as part of the incorporation of Texas as a state. That only 31% agree to this is demonstration of ignorance of their own state history.
You said — Wrong. The vote against Secession was only about 18%.
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Okay, I posted documentation of it on another thread, but I didn’t do the math. So, this time I did the math.
It was 24.2% against secession and, as the article said, in some areas, the vote against was 40%... So, even back then, it wasn’t as big as you might think. And so — today — you would never get anywhere near that, at all...
On February 23, 1861, Texas went to the polls and voted for or against secession. The results for the state as a whole were 46,153 for and 14,747 against. Of the 122 counties casting votes only eighteen cast majorities against secession. Only eleven others cast as much as 40 percent of their vote against. Not surprisingly, almost all of these twenty-nine counties were located in the two areas where the campaign had been the most open and the Unionist leadership had high status and good organization. With a touch of drama the secession of the state became official on March 2, Texas Independence Day.
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http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/SS/mgs2.html
[about 2/3 or 3/4 of the way down the page...]
gander at the magazines sent out monthly by the Texas Parks & Wildlife and the Texas Highways.
Examples:
http://www.texashighways.com/index.php/destinations/hill-country
You said — Every Texan should know that they have the right to secede. The federal government agreed to this as part of the incorporation of Texas as a state. That only 31% agree to this is demonstration of ignorance of their own state history.
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Well..., they *thought so* back then, but they were told *you are wrong* and forced back into the union...
They’ve already tried it. And *subsequently* — Texas *gave up* that right by coming back into the union after they lost the fight on the issue...
Under that scenario, Texas might very well secede.
The 25% that supports secession has been a consistant amount for a number of years. I was stunned the first time I saw it and my experience down here confirms it.
I have lived in a number of states and I can say that the first year I saw the patriotism of Texans it took my breath away. It felt to me that I had accidenlty discovered the real America.
Texans don’t give a tinker’s d@mn if our patriotism, which we wear boldly on our sleeves, offends anyone. If you don’t like it, leave.
Of course, Texas is the only state in the United States who had been a sovereign country in its own right. And for a while “Texans” (or Texians) were actually loyal Mexican citizens (and agreed to be so back then).
But when Mexico went back on promises made, then a rebellion came about, as a result. If not for that (i.e., “going back on the promises”), Texas would have still remained a loyal state of Mexico.
So, considering that the Republic of Texas existed for a while, that contributes to a lot of that feeling, plus the fact that (in the past anyway), that was hammered home in schools... (don’t know about now, though...)
Texans believe that the pursuti of happiness is a god given right and act accordingly.
So, the state motto is “Party hardy!”... LOL..
The fact that the south lost the war does not make secession illegitimate. You seem to be very happy with a mafia mentality - you join the family and you only leave in a pine box - applied to the states.
Texas very specifically swore allegiance to the union and gave up — specifically — the right to secede, after that. That was one of the conditions of coming back into the union.
It’s just the way history went...
Actually, I would have thought, being from Texas, that the State Motto was more like...
“Everything is bigger in Texas, even opinions...” :-)
Your position is essentially Barack Obama's position: "I won."
Well, no matter what you want to think about it now..., the fact of the matter is that Texas lost the Civil War and they gave up the right to secede from the Union as a condition of coming back into the union once again (which I believe they might have been the last state to do so...).
So, whatever you think about the way things are going now, the right of secession is gone. You might think that a bunch of people might “take up arms” and fight a war about it, but I’m pretty sure that won’t ever work or come around.
Texas has already seen a few groups like that and they get squashed pretty fast... LOL... They don’t go anywhere.
I mean, things are successful in Texas and a lot of people are not going to go into a war situation to go along with a small number who think they want secession...
There are other ways and the 10 Amendment movement and the issues surrounding that — are one of those ways...
Secession is a dead issue and will only serve to sidetrack a certain number of people, and nothing much else.
Star Traveler is a FReeper with 10 years under his belt. He’s no troll.
“He’s no troll”
Star Traveler’s no troll. Hmmmm. I guess that means he’s just a Scalawag who’s F.O.S. then.
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