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The seal is broken on seceding from the Union and is now mainstream discussion.
U4prez.com ^ | 4/16/2009 | Eric Gurr

Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog

What is the root of the secessionist movement? The driving force at the grass roots level is of course money. Many Americans are rightly disturbed by the transfer of their wealth, and the wealth of their children, to companies that made risky investments, or were poorly managed. This is new territory for the government. The transfer started under George W. Bush with his bank bailout and auto makers bailouts, and the Obama administration has really poured on the spending with additional bailouts and stimulus packages. Citizens of more fiscally conservative states are finding that there money is being redirected from their pockets, and sent to other states.

In years past politicians from both parties have used the guilt factor to increase spending for the "needy". This tempers the backlash from the populace as they realize they are to sacrifice a new boat, or nicer home, for the greater good of society. Today, citizens are being asked to sacrifice their children's education, vacations, and even the home they are in, so that money can be transferred from their wallets to multi-billion dollar corporations.

When we add more government controls and regulations on everything from cigarettes, to fast food and guns, we begin to see the problem. Government is now coming at everyone at some level, over some issue. This piling on is causing those fringe secessionist movements to became mainstream very quickly.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; confederacy; confederate; cwii; seceding; secession; statesrights
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To: Petronski
Once the Proclamation was signed, the South was fighting to preserve slavery (as if somehow they were not before).

Which, at the time, freed no one but placated the pro-British elements of Yankeedom, and tried to silence the "copperheads".

401 posted on 04/20/2009 10:22:14 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: stand watie
“NEVER had any intention in 1861 of FREEING ANY slaves”

Stand,

I think your wasting important time on this fella whom may very well still believe in Santa!!

Let's look back into yesteryear and picture a conversation between Grant and Sherman...

General Sherman: the führer {Lincoln for those that believe in Santa}wants to know what happened to the 300 slaves your army freed?
RESPONSE
General Grant: would you be so kind to inform the führer that the men felt rusty and needed some live targets..
RESPONSE
General Sherman:I thought you used Natives for that? Well I'll tell the führer that your making good use of Free time..Good day to you

402 posted on 04/20/2009 10:45:49 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: central_va
Which, at the time, freed no one...

That's right, because Johnny Reb kept fighting to preserve human slavery.

403 posted on 04/20/2009 10:57:22 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

The cowardly approach to true emancipation shown by the “Butcher” was a bluff. A bluff that should have been called by Jefferson Davis, who in a brilliant tactical move could have complied with it and created an integrated Army that would have crushed the Yankee panty weights. Free Blacks fought in integrated units in the South.


404 posted on 04/20/2009 11:03:39 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va

You must buy your whitewash by the barrel.


405 posted on 04/20/2009 11:05:57 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski
You must buy your whitewash by the barrel.

No where near the quantity of the Kool-Aid you consume.

406 posted on 04/20/2009 11:24:02 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Petronski
You best be careful..

Your about to still the prize Non-Sequitur worked so hard to rightfully earn..That of thee ultimate Federal boot licker

407 posted on 04/20/2009 11:49:13 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Rustabout

The only Kool-aid I drink is made with barley and hops.


408 posted on 04/20/2009 11:57:11 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski
“The only Kool-aid I drink is made with barley and hops.”

Is that a qualifying factor for the dishonor of being named thee ultimate Federal Boot licker?

I'm sure that you meant nonalcoholic...

After all your competitor has spent many year parroting the Northern party line...

If you could be a tad more honest about the pleasure you get reading about or participating in murderous endeavors of barn burning..That alone would make this decision much easier!

409 posted on 04/20/2009 12:23:31 PM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Petronski

Carmack’s Pledge to the South

The South is a land that has known sorrows; it is a land that has broken
the ashen crust and moistened it with tears; a land scarred and riven by the plowshare
of war and billowed the graves of her dead; but a land of legend,
a land of song, a land of hallowed and heroic memories.

To that land every drop of my blood, every fiber of me being,
every pulsation of my heart, is consecrated forever. I was born of her womb;
I was nurtured at her breast; and when my last hour shall come, I pray
God that I may be pillowed upon her bosom and rocked to sleep within
her tender and encircling arms. Edward Ward Carmack, former
Congressman from Tennessee


410 posted on 04/20/2009 4:39:23 PM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Petronski
actually, you KNOW BETTER than that BILGE, which is nothing more or less than DAMNyankee, SELF-righteous propaganda, which is ONLY designed to convince STUPID people of this thesis : north: PERFECT, south: completely EVIL.

further, lincoln said that he INTENTIONALLY didn't free ALL the slaves, as his ONLY intent was to "damage the rebellious states ability to wage war against us".

lincoln cared NOTHING about freeing slaves, as he FEARED & HATED the thought of MILLIONS of FREE Blacks; instead he cared INTENSELY about just TWO things: political POWER & more MONEY for his political allies.

free dixie,sw

411 posted on 04/21/2009 2:19:15 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Petronski
OK. NOE explain to everyone WHY lincoln didn't free NORTHERN slaves.

the TRUTH is that he HATED & FEARED "persons of color", Jews, Roman Catholics, Asians & Latinos.

you cannot wash away the RACISM of "lincoln, the Destroyer of The Constitution" with a pack of CLUMSY, DAMNyankee LIES.

free dixie,saw

412 posted on 04/21/2009 2:22:44 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Petronski
OK. NOW explain to everyone WHY lincoln didn't free NORTHERN slaves.

the TRUTH is that he HATED & FEARED "persons of color", Jews, Roman Catholics, Asians & latinos.

you cannot wash away the RACISM of "lincoln, the Destroyer of The Constitution" with a pack of CLUMSY, DAMNyankee LIES.

free dixie,saw

413 posted on 04/21/2009 2:22:57 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Petronski
the reason that you don't answer my questions is that doing so HONESTLY, will point out to EVERYONE the FACT that what you keep saying, about the southern revolution & our ancestors war for FREEDOM, is a pack of lies.

it's really no more complicated than that. as i said previously, i thought better of you.

free dixie,sw

414 posted on 04/21/2009 2:26:58 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Petronski
btw, as is usual for DAMNyankees & "nitwits", who are too LAZY/incompetent/DISHONEST to deal with my thoughts/FACTS, you make a snide remark about my "writing style" = fwiw, if you find it "unreadable", feel FREE to scroll on by & fail, also, to leave UNresponsive/snarky/SILLY responses.

once more, i thought BETTER of you.

free dixie,sw

415 posted on 04/21/2009 2:35:31 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
OK. NOW explain to everyone WHY lincoln didn't free NORTHERN slaves.

Because that would require a consitutional amendment. And Lincoln championed the 13th amendment that ended slavery, insisting that it be put on the 1864 Republican platform. When the 1864 election gave Lincoln the votes in the legislature to send the amendment to the states, it happened pretty quickly and was well on its way to ratification when he was shot.

The one place where Lincoln could free the slaves without a consitutional amendment was in the District of Columbia, and that was done on April 16, 1862.

416 posted on 04/21/2009 2:45:19 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
When the 1864 election gave Lincoln the votes in the legislature to send the amendment to the states, it happened pretty quickly

After Senate passage, it took 9 months for the US House (almost devoid of evil Southerers) to pass the amendment. The 13th Amendment was submitted 31 Jan 1865 AD. Delaware and New Jersey both rejected it.

417 posted on 04/21/2009 5:21:12 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: 4CJ
After Senate passage, it took 9 months for the US House (almost devoid of evil Southerers) to pass the amendment.

While almost devoid of evil southerners, the House of Representatives was not devoid of Democrats and the Republicans were unable to muster the two-thirds vote that a constitutional amendment requires on their own. When the bill first came up in the House, in June, 1864, only four Democrats voted for it and the vote came up 93-64, less than the required majority.

The election of 1864 were a massive win for Republicans, giving them the numbers they needed and there was no question that they'd pass the amendment when the new congress convened. Lincoln gave a speech to the Congress on December 6, 1864, appealing them to be bipartisan and pass the amendment, pointing out that the election results of a few weeks earlier showed the popular will to end slavery.

That being the case, enough Democrats thought they'd better get on the emancipation train instead of being run over by it and the bill passed. The party split on the final vote was all 86 Republicans, 15 Democrats, 14 Unconditional Unionists, and 4 Union men voting for the amendment and 50 Democrats and 6 Union men voting against.

Delaware and New Jersey both rejected it.

Both overwhelmingly Democrat states.

418 posted on 04/21/2009 6:03:37 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: stand watie
...the southern revolution & our ancestors war for FREEDOM, is a pack of lies.

Hmmm.

419 posted on 04/21/2009 7:08:04 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: stand watie
...the TRUTH is that he HATED & FEARED "persons of color", Jews, Roman Catholics, Asians & latinos....

ROFLMAO

420 posted on 04/21/2009 7:09:01 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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