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To: tobyhill

The situation was resolved successfully. Kvetching about it looks petty in the eyes of people who don’t have an ideological axe to grind. Obama didn’t perform the rescue himself, but it happened on his watch, and he deserves a measure of credit, just as the ultimate responsibility would have been his if it had failed. Trying spin this as anything other than a success is counterproductive and ultimately won’t work. Time to move on to other issues. JMHO.


48 posted on 04/13/2009 7:23:45 PM PDT by kms61
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To: kms61

It was micromanaged. He dithered. It turned out well because it was a very small and easily contained crisis. That’s the message that more savvy enemies will pick up. Heaven help us when the next more complex crises arise.


54 posted on 04/13/2009 7:26:37 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: kms61

Total BS. His incompetence is scary. This was a very easy situation compared to what we are facing with Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists, the Iranian terrorist regime and North Korea and compared to what we will be facing in the future. If it took him almost three days to order the shooting in this situation that could have been resolved in the first day then what is he going to do and how long are we going to wait for him to make a decision when we are faced with real and big crisis from the much more dangerous enemies that I mentioned above.


67 posted on 04/13/2009 7:39:30 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: kms61

I tend to agree. We’re not really privy to the goings-on at the moment. From the outside, being wishy-washy looks just the same as being prudent. And, not caring about the hostage looks just the same as not wanting to give the hostage-takers untoward notoriety. So, really, all we can make judgments about is the outcome, and one thing’s clear about that: there weren’t any leaders of the minority party marching to the microphones, decrying the resolution as a cowboy-like overreaction, and claiming the whole thing was an example of Obama’s “failed foreign policy”. In that way, it differed from every action the prior President took.


84 posted on 04/13/2009 7:55:00 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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113 posted on 04/13/2009 8:21:20 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: kms61
"The situation was resolved successfully. Kvetching about it looks petty in the eyes of people who don’t have an ideological axe to grind. Obama didn’t perform the rescue himself, but it happened on his watch, and he deserves a measure of credit, just as the ultimate responsibility would have been his if it had failed. Trying spin this as anything other than a success is counterproductive and ultimately won’t work. Time to move on to other issues. JMHO. quote from the liberal article, the truth speaks for itself ,

acording to the timeline here is how Obama was coerced into giving up on negotiating for the Somali pirates' release

NSC officials visit obama and sit him down and explain what the deal is and how it is going down,

after trying to get his way by negotiating with the pirates , but realizing, FINALLY, the consequences, Obama gives in and goes sits in the corner with his dunce hat on and says meekly, (EVEN AFTER BEING EDUCATED) "'Have we tried everything to make this reach a peaceful conclusion?",

YES, the SEALS will take care of it mr president , now sign this and go back to your pizza and video game

175 posted on 04/14/2009 2:18:12 AM PDT by KTM rider ( Obamunism is coming, one if by land two if by election)
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To: kms61
Trying spin this as anything other than a success is counterproductive and ultimately won’t work.

YOU are spinning it - hard.

177 posted on 04/14/2009 3:12:07 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: kms61
The whole point is not to denigrate the success but the fact is that Obama gave 2 orders and why was that necessary? Instead of immediately killing these little pissants, Obama chose to have our highly trained forces talk nicely to them first. These are not misunderstood miscreants, they are dangerous terrorist.
The only message Obama gave to these terrorist are that we'll play tinker-toys before we get serious. Had he ordered them blowed up immediately, the SEALs would have succeeded and that would be a more powerful message.
179 posted on 04/14/2009 3:35:49 AM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: kms61
Au contrare my friend! The "spin" as you describe it is all being directed by The One's minions in the White House and media. You must remember that The False Messiah wants to please not us, but everyone else. He adores the celebrity and limelight of his current position more than anything else. All you had to do is observe him during his campaign to know that public adoration is a narcotic to him. He tilts his head slightly, assumes that glow of confidence and then commences to mouth the most inane remarks any rational person can conceive. He's lost in the radiant afterglow of his audience of flapping penguins and it's why so much is made of him being a dolt without the assistance of a teleprompter. He is the ultimate appeasor wanting to be all things to all people and in the bargain is an unprincipled ass.

I firmly believe that he vacillated endlessly in the hope that these nickel and dime punkasses would surrender and ONLY WHEN the risk of them making some unanticipated aggressive move against the captain weighed against him (Obama..., which his advisors would have been sweating about and whispering their concerns to him over) did he move and authorize them to take out the pirates. Not because it was the right thing to do. Not because the Navy had secured a towline and maneuvered them close. ONLY BECAUSE of the fact that if they killed the captain, Obama would have been toasted and roasted in the world press for having missed so many chances to kill the pirates. THAT is the only reason he finally acted.

This is a bit off-topic, but not off-target. Please go here:
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Sign and support an agenda to take back our government and Nation as one of, by and for the people next November. A good friend initiated this petition and we need it to spread and "get legs" to compliment the Tea Party and other efforts that rally CROSS-POLITCAL-SPECTRUM support against him and those that empower him.

244 posted on 04/14/2009 5:43:35 PM PDT by docfrobisher
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