Posted on 04/13/2009 6:07:49 PM PDT by tobyhill
I initially thought that as well. But the fact that the SEALs had kill opportunities in better conditions shows that Obama's directives were in error. Do you agree that the first priority should have been to save the captain's life as soon as the opportunity presented itself?
You said — Yeah we know that everything printed is true.
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Well, it seems that we’ve either got things printed in articles, or we’ve got posters spouting off opinions... hmmmm..., I wonder which one I should consider... LOL..
And actually, we’ve also got some “common sense” — which does seem to be a rarity at times..., on this board... :-)
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didn’t you get the memo? He walked from the Bainbridge over to the lifeboat and handled the situation himself.
Quite so. Of the many different stories I've read about this incident, there's been that many different versions of what actually happened. I suppose we'll have to wait for the movie to find out what really didn't happen.
I don't trust any of the "facts" yet. All of the reporting has been so fluid... there's just no way to know.
Even the most liberal police officers know that in any hostage situation you take any open shot you can.
I understand a bit how you are thinking on this W but IMHO ‘makes no sense’ or ‘unlikely’ and pirates do not work out together in any, way, shape or form for me. they are muslim savages, with a weapon pointed at their target and their fingers on triggers they were a fraction of a second at best from ending this man’s life on purpose or for for any number of ‘reasons’ they could dream up. also, a real good chance of an ND here as proper weapons handling skills are not exactly these bastards forte’ from what I have seen.
LOL! You left out Hiding My head in the Sand 101, and the Government is Here to Protect You 102! Also, numbnuts, if you want to pretend you are military in Private Mails, Americans don't normally use the word....eschelon...... Once again welcome to FR....
I thought the directives were to gain the release of the hostage or shoot the pirates if the his life was in danger — and then it was up to the U.S. Navy to achieve the goal...
And you’ve got to remember, that the pirates goal (which the Navy can use to their own advantage) is to get a ransom. And a dead hostage gets you no ransom at all, plus... it gets you “dead” if you do that. The Navy can use that to their own advantage..., in order to achieve the directive given to them.
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As far as saving the captain’s life, that was the goal all along. As to how to achieve it, I believe the Navy had a lot of discretion to do whatever worked, according to the directives given to them.
The pirates know, and the Navy knows, too..., that without a live hostage, there is no ransom and the pirates’ lives are worth absolutely nothing at that point (if the hostage dies). So, since all parties know that, it’s in the Navy’s best interests to plan for the most successful operation that they can...
They didn't want to kill him, but they didn't want to give him up. They haven't killed anybody before because they were never in this situation before. They have always been the masters of their domain.
The Muslim equivalent to “Hold muh beer”. Pointing an AK 47 at someone while Navy SEAL’s have a bead on you. Letting a SEAL team come so close was incredibly stupid. Our guys could have dropped these pirates with pistols at that range.
shocking!
This sounds more like it....
you make some points here Patas but how ‘obviously’? all of those other muslim savages didn’t act suicidal either as they have slyly wandered into any number of places in the past years around the world and have blown their own asses and countless innocents to another place. these savages are up for anything and death does not seem to bother them whatsoever. these bastards can go off at any moment, a US warship breathing down their neck or not. glad our guys took the shots and I don’t agree that it is/was an ‘unnecessary’ escalation, but that is the great part about FR, discussing other opinions around a bit huh?
Dateline: Somalia. Headline: Heroic President leads victorious military campaign.There Harvey told himself. The 4 days of the worlds most powerful military being in a standoff with an unpowered rowboat were to no longer be a part of history. The White House Office of Truth and Information would send this out to the official media and it would be followed without question.Body- Somali pirates likely dispatched by a local warlord captured the pirate of a merchant vessel and demanded a ransom for his release. The valiant military forces led by Hero President Obama rushed into action and secured the freedom of the ship captain by sending 3 pirates to the seafloor and capturing one alive with his bare hands.
Soon everyone in the kingdom would forget what they saw as it happened live. They would forget the waiting and the yellow ribbons and the vigils as if they had never happened. They would no longer remember the President waving off questions about the seizure of the civilian vessel. They would no longer recall the Secretary of State having a bout of laughter when she was asked for a comment. No. From now on the President is the hero of the moment and he should be given single-handed credit for saving the ship captain from his captors.
I know that my preoccupation with “EEEVILL Guns” has made me wonder if the snipers used good old 7.62 or .223 to dispatch the community organizers in that boat. I would have opted for the bigger round for wind bucking capabilities..
at LRs, I would agree with ya.
You must include the CO of the Bainbridge as a hero. His explanation that the pirates were pointing an AK at the cap’t is nice, but i would guess they’d pointed a weapon at him for 119 of the last 120 hours. The Capt of the Bainbridge took it upon himself to declare the hostage’s life in danger as a way of letting the snipers end this and still complying with Obama’s straightjacket RoEs. If they’d missed and Phillips was killed Obama would have had the COs head on a plate, just as he’s taking the credit now.The Bainbridge CO put his career and Phillips’ life in the hands of those SEALS. Talk about confidence.
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