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GOP cools on a hot-button issue [amnesty] [Romney on illegals] [barf]
The Boston Globe ^ | 2009-04-09 | Joan Vennochi

Posted on 04/08/2009 9:21:19 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

THOSE OLD Republican hot buttons are growing cold. For proof, check out a recent interview with Mitt Romney, a former presidential candidate and ex-governor of Massachusetts.

According to TheHill.com, a congressional newspaper that publishes when Congress is in session, "Romney believes that one way to attract more minorities to the GOP is to pass immigration reform before the next election, saying the issue becomes demagogued by both parties on the campaign trail." The article also quotes Romney as saying, "We have a natural affinity with Hispanic-American voters, Asian-American voters."

This could be extreme political repositioning, even for Romney.

. . . . .

How Romney gets beyond the flip-flop-flips of his multiple-choice positions on immigration and other issues is a mystery only he can solve.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; aliens; amnesty; chameleonromney; illegals; immigration; mcromney; msm; propagandawingofdnc; rino; rinoalert; rinoparty; rinoromney; romney; romneybots; romneytruthfile; shamnesty; slickwillard; twofaceromney
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To: GOP_Lady
You can't trust everything you see and hear, especially on the internet.
 

INDEED!

281 posted on 04/11/2009 3:39:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
I respect all good religions and good god-fearing people.

What makes a 'religion' good?

282 posted on 04/11/2009 3:43:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
And I just want you to know that I am one person that you can trust.


283 posted on 04/11/2009 3:47:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ansel12
That isn't true, but it is typical.

It's time; once again...


284 posted on 04/11/2009 3:52:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
 
Mormons are Christian.
 
Mighty strange way to PROVE it!!

 

 
Statements by Mormon Leaders about Christian churches (made by many of the LDS Prophet-Presidents):
 
Joseph Smith stated that God told him: "they [other churches] were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:19).
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
Yes, the MORMONs are some really self-loathing 'christians' alright!
 

285 posted on 04/11/2009 3:55:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
A Catholic can’t say that Mormons are Christian?

Sure one could, but that would not MAKE them christian; any more than THEM saying it.

As a side note; the HYPOCRACY of Headquarters in SLC shows big time when THEY claim that Flds folks are not MORMON!

286 posted on 04/11/2009 3:57:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady; ansel12
GOP_Lady: "How should I have responded?"

Usually truth and honesty and integrity are useful for responses.
But for you RomneyBOTs, truth is out of the questions.

The Latest and Daily Lies of GOP_Lady

==============================

(about the Romney video described in "Romney in Seven Words")

Latest two versions by GOP_Lady (who was there --wink wink-- saw the event "LIVE" (until caught))

"I have no video. I saw it live. I know what happened. It was a spur of the moment joke."
[215 posted on Friday, April 10, 2009 9:45:34 PM by GOP_Lady ]


Live? I think not.

============= Now compare that 'story' to 'her' previous posts
from January 2008 via the WAYBACK machine ===============

"Indeed, it was a little levity. I saw it on his website."
[27 posted on 01/11/2008 8:46:08 PM PST by GOP_Lady]


"I saw the video of it, and it was levity. And I, like Mitt Romney, don’t lie."
[36 posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:10:18 AM by GOP_Lady]


"Like I said, I don’t lie. Right after the NH primary the video of it was on the Romney site
when you first entered (and it was fairly lenghty) and it was CLEARLY LEVITY
(I thought nothing of it when I heard it)....I couldn’t find it on ABC News’ site as well.
Look, if this indeed happened, it would be all over the news, especially ABC.
"
[40 posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:57:27 AM by GOP_Lady ]


And her revision when CAUGHT

" I stated that night that I saw it LIVE on Mitt Romney's site.
I also rewatched it at a later point on Mitt Romney's site.
"
[246 posted on Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:17:15 AM by GOP_Lady ]


Conclusion: Romney and GOP_Lady both marched with Martin Luther King

MORE MYTHS from MYTH ROMNEY


"Mitt Romney Lies About Father ‘Marching With Martin Luther King, Jr.’"
"Mitt Romney has been caught in yet another lie.
Only yesterday Romney’s claim of not supporting Planned Parenthood abortion mills was abruptly smashed by a photograph surfacing of him at one of their fundraisers in 1994.
Today, it’s Romney’s claim that his father “marched with” famed civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr.
During his “I’m a Mormon but it doesn’t matter” speech, Mitt Romney claimed he saw his father,
George Romney, marching with MLK during a 1968 civil rights march through Grosse Pointe, Michigan.
It was a stirring account of the efforts of his father to show that the Romney family have always reached across ecumenical lines.
Only one little problem… it never happened."


"Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald.
Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said:
"My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit."
"Yesterday (12/20/07), Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom acknowledged that was not true.
"Mitt Romney did not march with Martin Luther King,"
he said in an e-mail statement to the Globe.


Against Myth Romney is 1:

"On Sunday, June 23, 1963, 125,000 people marched down Detroit's Woodward Avenue
to the Civic Center, in what was described at the time as the largest civil-rights demonstration in the nation's history.
According to the next day's account in the Holland Evening Sentinel,
the crowd at the Center "lustily booed," when representatives of Governor George W. Romney
read a proclamation declaring "Freedom March Day in Michigan." But Martin Luther King Jr. didn't fault Romney for his absence,
which the governor ascribed to his policy against public appearances on the Sabbath.
"At a news conference following the march . .
[King] refused to criticize Romney for not attending the demonstration," the Sentinel reported."

Against Myth Romney is 2:

Susan Englander, assistant editor of the Martin Luther King Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University, who is editing the King papers from that era,
says Myth Romney was untruthful, when she told the Globe yesterday:
"I researched this question, and indeed it is untrue that George Romney marched with [Dr.] King."

Against Myth Romney is 3:

"King never marched in Grosse Pointe, according to the Grosse Pointe Historical Society,
and had not appeared in the town at all at the time the Broder book was published.
“I’m quite certain of that
,” says Suzy Berschback, curator of the Grosse Pointe Historical Society"


Of course, you RomneyBOTs continued to attack these educated women, just as you do honorable FReepers
who have spoken the Truth about Myth Romney and his venal, odious deeds.

287 posted on 04/11/2009 4:19:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
Anyone ever wonder what some GOOD Catholics think about Mormon baptism??
 
 
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni_en.html

288 posted on 04/11/2009 4:27:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro; GOP_Lady
GOP_Lady: "And how many times do I have to say that if I believed for an instant
that what Romney said about “promise them anything” was true, I’d be the first to want him out of the GOP?
"

Lost my coffee on that one.

How many times? Quantity does not matter. Quality matters.
Just like GOP_Lady claiming she/he "does not lie"
even as his/her next post is fabricated, evasive, disingenuous and personal,
the fact is that a RomneyBOT (like their Master) will apparently say ANYTHING,
truthful or untruthful, and laden that with evasive mean, unwarranted, libel,
as GOP_Lady and her legion of harpies have demonstrated in thread after thread.

289 posted on 04/11/2009 4:36:12 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Elsie; Diogenesis

To: GOP_Lady; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; EternalVigilance; Reagan Man; Elsie; MeanWestTexan; ...
"Top 20 Recipients of AIG Contributions in 2008"
(Romney claims to be POTUS and receives AIG contributions)

"AIG's Small London Office May Have Lost $500B"
Ground zero for AIG's spectacular implosion, which has soaked up more federal bailout money
than any other entity, appears to have been a small London branch office
that may have lost nearly half a trillion dollars in bad deals."


15 posted on 03/18/2009 3:26:51 PM PDT by Diogenesis

Care to call me a LIAR now? (Romney claims to be POTUS and receives AIG contributions) -- Diogenesis typed this -- it's his own words.

290 posted on 04/11/2009 5:54:26 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady; All
For everyone’s information, Romney never claimed himself President, yet this is the type of misinformation that Diogenesis spreads around FR.
291 posted on 04/11/2009 5:56:27 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: ansel12

Why don’t you just come out and say that you don’t trust me because I supported Mitt Romney? That’s what you’re meaning to say, isn’t it?


292 posted on 04/11/2009 5:58:46 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady
Romney COULD have listed himself as ex-governor or
whatever religious level he is. Right? But, he did not.

See, for example, Sen. McCain (not POTUS McCain).
See, for example, Sen. Obama (not POTUS Obama).

And your comment to the most important issue:
Romney receiving AIG kickback funds in 2008 is ...?

[usual sound of crickets]
293 posted on 04/11/2009 6:06:53 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

Posted by DIOGENESIS:

“Friday, April 10, 2009 9:20:09 PM · 211 of 293

Diogenesis to GOP_Lady

GOP_Lady “ Why did you not type “Romey (sic) claims to be President?” above the AIG chart like you did on numerous occassions (sic)?”

Why would anyone type such tripe? That is terrible English. Not your first language?”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2225388/posts?page=211#211


294 posted on 04/11/2009 6:10:45 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady; All

BE SURE TO SEE:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2225388/posts?page=290#290


295 posted on 04/11/2009 6:11:47 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady
GOP-Lady, rather than remaining in the 5th grade.

Fact #1: you conveniently clipped off the important point
which was/is the whole reason you are evasive.

You clipped off "and receives AIG contributions".

And your comment to the only important issue:
Romney receiving AIG kickback funds in 2008 is ...?

[usual sound of crickets]


Fact #2: Romney is listed as POTUS; Obama and McCain are not.

296 posted on 04/11/2009 6:16:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

I’ve answered that question.

Why do you keep asking me it?


297 posted on 04/11/2009 6:17:37 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Diogenesis

Why did you stop typing:

“(Romney claims to be POTUS and receives AIG contributions):” above the chart after I called you on this lie then?


298 posted on 04/11/2009 6:18:50 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady
You have answered nothing -- except that by your chronic lying
and endless attacks on FReeRepublic and then FReepers,
you have exposed that there is little basis to much of what you claim.

GOP_Lady: "I have no video. I saw it live. I know what happened. It was a spur of the moment joke."

299 posted on 04/11/2009 6:25:13 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

My conscious is clear when I type on this forum “I don’t lie.”

How’s your conscious, oh great FR reporter of misinformation?


300 posted on 04/11/2009 6:31:55 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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