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Are You Hoarding Ammo?
humanevents.com ^ | 03/31/2009 | Ross Kaminsky

Posted on 03/31/2009 5:17:17 AM PDT by kellynla

As I was walking through the ammunition aisle at my local Bass Pro Shops, I muttered to the man standing next to me how disappointingly empty the shelves were. “Not as bad as last week”, he said. I shouldn’t have been surprised. Back in February, Cabelas, a publicly-traded outdoor outfitter saw its stock go up 35% in one day when earnings blew away estimates because of very strong “sales of firearms and related accessories.”

If President Obama has stimulated anything in America, it is demand for guns and ammunition. According to Rich Wyatt, the voluble and intense owner of Gunsmoke -- a firearms training facility just outside Denver -- “If I had known it would be this good in the gun business, I might have voted for Obama.”

It’s not just a couple of stores seeing a run on guns and even more so on ammunition. From local gun shops to WalMart to sporting goods stores, the story is the same: When the store gets a shipment of ammo, particularly .45, 9mm, and .38 handgun ammunition, “people come in and they buy it all.”

The manager of a local gun shop where I’ve been a customer told me that business has doubled since the election. Whereas the typical first time buyer pre-election had generally been a 30- or 40-something male, first time gun buyers now include more younger people, older people, and women than in the past. “They’re buying semi-automatic pistols and shotguns for home defense, as well as ‘concealed weapons’. There’s also a strong interest in ‘black guns’”, military-style assault rifles, both from people who want to buy them “because they can” as well as others who believe they’ll be able to sell them at higher prices someday soon.

Where politics was rarely mentioned during a gun purchase a year ago, the store manager says at least 60% of his customers mention the Obama administration now.

At Rich Wyatt’s Gunsmoke, “We are getting ‘Prius-driving Obama people’ buying guns because they realize they picked the wrong pony…even though they never admit it.” Just like my local gun shop, Wyatt has “old ladies and young people and liberals” buying guns. He says that while there were spikes in gun buying during the Clinton administration, during the Rodney King riots, and even just before Y2K, he’s never seen anything remotely on this scale.

A customer I spoke with at Bass Pro Shops (the employees wouldn’t speak with me for an article) actually owns a gun shop, but he was buying ammunition there because his wholesaler had run out. His customers are hoarding ammunition and, to a lesser extent, guns. He described a recent spectacle at a gun show where one vendor had a relatively large supply of ammunition and customers were swarming around him buying 50 boxes at a time…and not at a bargain price.

At Dick’s Sporting Goods, they were almost out of .45 ammunition after having received a shipment just that morning. Not only are people buying as much ammunition as they can find and afford, they’re doing it during the work day rather than taking the chance that it will be gone by the weekend.

As if the message weren’t clear enough, a sign at a local WalMart said “Due to the increased demand from customers for ammunition, our suppliers are increasing production…” A salesman said that their ammunition supply is now infrequent and unpredictable: “We used to get shipments almost every day. Now we only know we’ll have it when we see it. I get at least a half-dozen calls a day asking for ammunition, especially for handguns, and when it arrives, the customers buy everything.”

Over at Gunsmoke, Rich Wyatt says “Now, it’s not what the ammo costs; it’s ‘do you have it?’”

Much of the demand for ammunition is due to an NRA advertising campaign during election season which described Barack Obama’s historical positions on gun issues, including having said that he would support a 500% federal tax on guns and ammunition. And while it is true that Obama has not made many anti-gun statements recently, gun rights expert David Kopel explains clearly that Barack Obama is easily the most anti-gun President in US history.

In his 2004 Senate campaign, Barack Obama said he would like to ban concealed carry permits. Now that Obama is President, Gunsmoke’s concealed carry courses are selling out class after class (50 people in each) in addition to their 3-day pistol classes, which are already sold out through June.

“People are petrified…afraid for their rights that Obama is going to attack. And while Obama says he doesn’t support banning guns, a 500% tax would effectively be a financial ban on both guns and ammunition. I think the left’s goal is that in 50 or 100 years, there are people who don’t even know that they could have bought guns or ammunition.”

Colorado is several months behind in processing concealed carry permits because of demand. Last month, it was reported that Florida “is buried under a backlog of 95,000 applications for concealed-weapons permits and it needs to hire a lot more people to handle the paperwork.” In Georgia, firearm permits were up 79% in 2008 over 2007. In Oklahoma, the number is around 90%. In Ohio, the number of concealed carry licenses issued in the 4th quarter of 2008 was 111% higher than the 4th quarter of 2007.

Wyatt’s concealed carry classes emphasize the basics of gun use, safety, and the law, but “It’s Politics 101 as well, trying to make sure people understand not only their rights regarding guns but also the Constitution and their rights and responsibilities as American citizens.” He tries to make sure people are conscious of the “boiling the frog” approach by government to infringing on our rights, and gun rights in particular, just slowly enough that the average person might not notice. Just be prepared, he warns, for the return of government saying “We’re not banning all guns…just these guns.” And that’s part of the reason that there’s so much demand for ‘these’ guns, which is to say just about every type of gun you can imagine.

Since the election, the shares of gunmaker Smith & Wesson have more than doubled, with competitor Ruger’s shares up nearly as much. Two weeks ago a large gun and ammunition manufacturer, Olin Corp. raised its earnings guidance, anticipating a record quarterly profit for its Winchester ammunition division. The American public is speaking, and they’re saying in no uncertain terms that they don’t believe President Obama’s claims to support gun rights since his history says something very different.

Rich Wyatt’s position is typically none too subtle: “Barack Obama is right about one thing. We are clinging to God and our guns, and I defy him to try to take either one from us.”

As for me, after a day of thinking about the Obama administration and guns, I bought my local WalMart’s last box of .38 caliber ammunition.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; ammo; banglist; bho2009; bho44; bhobanglist; cwii; democrats; guns; obama; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: Travis McGee

But DUUUUUUUDE! Your picture has a COMMMA! YARRRRRGH!!

;-P

I needed an excuse to go to the gun show this weekend. I think that might well provide it.


61 posted on 03/31/2009 6:09:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: PowderMonkey
...I’ve one gargantuan and morbidly obese neighbor ... says “I don’t worry about that stuff. I know where all the food is. When the times comes I’ll just take it.

He'd best watch out, or when the time comes he might BE it.

62 posted on 03/31/2009 6:10:06 AM PDT by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: kellynla
Barack Obama said he would like to ban concealed carry permits. Now that Obama is President, Gunsmoke’s concealed carry courses are selling out class after class (50 people in each) in addition to their 3-day pistol classes, which are already sold out through June.

I've gotta admit, the demand for my own ccw courses has gone through the roof since the election and I don't even advertise! My classes are usually done "on demand" when word of mouth reaches a level that requires me to schedule a class. Usually these days I teach groups: Friends or family who all want the permit together or parents who want their carry permit & who wish to "gun proof" their children.

I just completed an intensive piece of consulting work for a guy who's the CEO of a firm that sells Kidnap & Ransom Insurance to businessmen having to conduct deals on foreign soil. They're all terrified of being kidnapped. This gentleman told me that he has contacts in the special forces associations for the various services and he routinely pays those folks to extract a kidnap victim when there is real fear that hostages might be harmed even if the ransom is paid in a timely fashion. He said the movie Proof of Life is a very accurate depiction of reality. I gave he and his wife the ccw permit course AND I taught his kids "gun safety" AND I performed a written assessment of the grounds of his estate for security upgrades that could be performed.

63 posted on 03/31/2009 6:12:07 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: kellynla

I wouldn’t tell anyone if I did.


64 posted on 03/31/2009 6:17:01 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: Le Chien Rouge
I prefer holding hands,discussing my innermost ‘feelings’ and singing kumbaya as a tool to keep me protected from the problems created by capitalism and Christianity.

Thankfully you are not singing "kumbaya" by an evil, carbon spouting campfire!

65 posted on 03/31/2009 6:18:33 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: All

I visit quite a few gun and shooting forums and recently there has been a disturbing trend of people buying guns but not getting any ammo because there isn’t any.

So what is happening is these people are targeting those they know like co-workers, neighbors etc. and are demanding that they share some ammo.

Now I am all for an organized movement to rescue America but there is now way I am going to part with items I worked for and developed.

Right now its not the fear of the feds taking guns, its the nosy neighbor, its your fellow workers and of course there are the ones that need ammo to have in order to rob and kill.

Ammunition vigilance is the keyword here, it is having an effect like news of a gold discovery. By all means share if you wish but keep in mind that if you had your hands on it especially if its a reload it may also have your DNA and prints and if that ammo was used in a felony those CSI’s can trace it back.

America is approaching the Wild West way of life soon. Or perhaps in a more illustrious manner like the TV series, Firefly. There is evil afoot, it has no mercy, it acts illogically and has superior firepower, we fight, we withdraw to attack again.


66 posted on 03/31/2009 6:19:01 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Travis McGee

Good solid pistols!


67 posted on 03/31/2009 6:19:48 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: MrB

Hog feedin’ time...


68 posted on 03/31/2009 6:20:15 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: melissa_in_ga

Here’s a link to save $10 http://www.shootingusa.com/LATEST_UPDATES/NRA_news/NRA_Membership/nra_membership.html


69 posted on 03/31/2009 6:20:45 AM PDT by RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS. (Better to have and not need than to need and not have...my theory on gun control)
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To: kellynla
Somebodies hoarding it. Here in the Northwest ammo has been in short supply. I have heard from gun owner friends that the ammo shelves in the stores have been depleted since January and what you could find is being sold at inflated prices. I checked it out for my self on Sunday and they are right. Plenty of shotgun shells, and some less used calibers of bullets, but common bullets calibers were gone from the shelves. And I do mean gone.
70 posted on 03/31/2009 6:20:47 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: tgusa

Only the lots predating WWII...


71 posted on 03/31/2009 6:21:28 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: kellynla

Guns? Ammo? No, no...of course not. What I had I sold. Nothing left. No guns here. Just a good citizen living a peaceful, conformist life in Amerika.


72 posted on 03/31/2009 6:22:03 AM PDT by GBA
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To: kellynla
When the store gets a shipment of ammo, particularly .45, 9mm, and .38 handgun ammunition, “people come in and they buy it all.”

Actually I have a close buddy from my IDPA club that works at Bass Pro and he told me that it's a tad more complex than mere self service customers buying ammo for personal use these days (since the election). As primary wholesale sources get tight or even dry up, local retailers are buying the discounted ammo deals from the bigger stores for resale. So, somebody who works at Wal Mart might slip the local gunshop a call to alert them (for a small fee of course) of a shipment arriving and within hours the shelves are dry because local dealers have cleared the warehouses of entire unopened pallets before it even reaches the shelves. Don't look for this pattern to change anytime soon, either.

73 posted on 03/31/2009 6:23:25 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: kellynla

What’s ammo?


74 posted on 03/31/2009 6:23:25 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: kellynla

I wish the folks with 10,000 rounds or more would back off for a while. Some of us would LOVE to be able to get up to a few hundred rounds, but they’re nowhere to be found.


75 posted on 03/31/2009 6:23:45 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: kellynla

Nope, not hoarding. I had enough finished ammo and components on hand for 40-50k when Obama came in.

I have bought another 5k of .45 bullets, but that’s what I’ll use over the next 6 months.

I load .32, .38, .44 and .45

I still buy my 9mm and .223, but will wait for things to settle down on prices before buying more.


76 posted on 03/31/2009 6:24:03 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Tarpon
"NO, I always keep plenty on hand ...."

Warthog's Law: If you think you have enough ammo, you don't.

77 posted on 03/31/2009 6:25:16 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: melissa_in_ga
Free NRA Membership
78 posted on 03/31/2009 6:25:50 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: All
I remember telling everyone back in dec-january to buy ammo, I guess the word got out.
79 posted on 03/31/2009 6:26:17 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: usmcobra; Travis McGee

hehehe...

That happens a lot from what I hear...


80 posted on 03/31/2009 6:27:18 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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