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Are You Hoarding Ammo?
humanevents.com ^ | 03/31/2009 | Ross Kaminsky

Posted on 03/31/2009 5:17:17 AM PDT by kellynla

As I was walking through the ammunition aisle at my local Bass Pro Shops, I muttered to the man standing next to me how disappointingly empty the shelves were. “Not as bad as last week”, he said. I shouldn’t have been surprised. Back in February, Cabelas, a publicly-traded outdoor outfitter saw its stock go up 35% in one day when earnings blew away estimates because of very strong “sales of firearms and related accessories.”

If President Obama has stimulated anything in America, it is demand for guns and ammunition. According to Rich Wyatt, the voluble and intense owner of Gunsmoke -- a firearms training facility just outside Denver -- “If I had known it would be this good in the gun business, I might have voted for Obama.”

It’s not just a couple of stores seeing a run on guns and even more so on ammunition. From local gun shops to WalMart to sporting goods stores, the story is the same: When the store gets a shipment of ammo, particularly .45, 9mm, and .38 handgun ammunition, “people come in and they buy it all.”

The manager of a local gun shop where I’ve been a customer told me that business has doubled since the election. Whereas the typical first time buyer pre-election had generally been a 30- or 40-something male, first time gun buyers now include more younger people, older people, and women than in the past. “They’re buying semi-automatic pistols and shotguns for home defense, as well as ‘concealed weapons’. There’s also a strong interest in ‘black guns’”, military-style assault rifles, both from people who want to buy them “because they can” as well as others who believe they’ll be able to sell them at higher prices someday soon.

Where politics was rarely mentioned during a gun purchase a year ago, the store manager says at least 60% of his customers mention the Obama administration now.

At Rich Wyatt’s Gunsmoke, “We are getting ‘Prius-driving Obama people’ buying guns because they realize they picked the wrong pony…even though they never admit it.” Just like my local gun shop, Wyatt has “old ladies and young people and liberals” buying guns. He says that while there were spikes in gun buying during the Clinton administration, during the Rodney King riots, and even just before Y2K, he’s never seen anything remotely on this scale.

A customer I spoke with at Bass Pro Shops (the employees wouldn’t speak with me for an article) actually owns a gun shop, but he was buying ammunition there because his wholesaler had run out. His customers are hoarding ammunition and, to a lesser extent, guns. He described a recent spectacle at a gun show where one vendor had a relatively large supply of ammunition and customers were swarming around him buying 50 boxes at a time…and not at a bargain price.

At Dick’s Sporting Goods, they were almost out of .45 ammunition after having received a shipment just that morning. Not only are people buying as much ammunition as they can find and afford, they’re doing it during the work day rather than taking the chance that it will be gone by the weekend.

As if the message weren’t clear enough, a sign at a local WalMart said “Due to the increased demand from customers for ammunition, our suppliers are increasing production…” A salesman said that their ammunition supply is now infrequent and unpredictable: “We used to get shipments almost every day. Now we only know we’ll have it when we see it. I get at least a half-dozen calls a day asking for ammunition, especially for handguns, and when it arrives, the customers buy everything.”

Over at Gunsmoke, Rich Wyatt says “Now, it’s not what the ammo costs; it’s ‘do you have it?’”

Much of the demand for ammunition is due to an NRA advertising campaign during election season which described Barack Obama’s historical positions on gun issues, including having said that he would support a 500% federal tax on guns and ammunition. And while it is true that Obama has not made many anti-gun statements recently, gun rights expert David Kopel explains clearly that Barack Obama is easily the most anti-gun President in US history.

In his 2004 Senate campaign, Barack Obama said he would like to ban concealed carry permits. Now that Obama is President, Gunsmoke’s concealed carry courses are selling out class after class (50 people in each) in addition to their 3-day pistol classes, which are already sold out through June.

“People are petrified…afraid for their rights that Obama is going to attack. And while Obama says he doesn’t support banning guns, a 500% tax would effectively be a financial ban on both guns and ammunition. I think the left’s goal is that in 50 or 100 years, there are people who don’t even know that they could have bought guns or ammunition.”

Colorado is several months behind in processing concealed carry permits because of demand. Last month, it was reported that Florida “is buried under a backlog of 95,000 applications for concealed-weapons permits and it needs to hire a lot more people to handle the paperwork.” In Georgia, firearm permits were up 79% in 2008 over 2007. In Oklahoma, the number is around 90%. In Ohio, the number of concealed carry licenses issued in the 4th quarter of 2008 was 111% higher than the 4th quarter of 2007.

Wyatt’s concealed carry classes emphasize the basics of gun use, safety, and the law, but “It’s Politics 101 as well, trying to make sure people understand not only their rights regarding guns but also the Constitution and their rights and responsibilities as American citizens.” He tries to make sure people are conscious of the “boiling the frog” approach by government to infringing on our rights, and gun rights in particular, just slowly enough that the average person might not notice. Just be prepared, he warns, for the return of government saying “We’re not banning all guns…just these guns.” And that’s part of the reason that there’s so much demand for ‘these’ guns, which is to say just about every type of gun you can imagine.

Since the election, the shares of gunmaker Smith & Wesson have more than doubled, with competitor Ruger’s shares up nearly as much. Two weeks ago a large gun and ammunition manufacturer, Olin Corp. raised its earnings guidance, anticipating a record quarterly profit for its Winchester ammunition division. The American public is speaking, and they’re saying in no uncertain terms that they don’t believe President Obama’s claims to support gun rights since his history says something very different.

Rich Wyatt’s position is typically none too subtle: “Barack Obama is right about one thing. We are clinging to God and our guns, and I defy him to try to take either one from us.”

As for me, after a day of thinking about the Obama administration and guns, I bought my local WalMart’s last box of .38 caliber ammunition.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; ammo; banglist; bho2009; bho44; bhobanglist; cwii; democrats; guns; obama; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: FreedomPoster

As if I needed any more reason to not leave America’s shores.

“But you’re not cultured,” says a Liberal.

“You go and get kidnapped,” I say.


181 posted on 03/31/2009 11:37:02 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: tgusa

“spamunition” - “spammo”....hehehe


182 posted on 03/31/2009 11:41:15 AM PDT by babyfreep
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To: wastedyears

Notice how libs put such high value on “having a passport” or on “traveling in other countries” or on “experiencing other cultures”.

Just shows that they hold their own country and the American culture in low regard.


183 posted on 03/31/2009 11:45:12 AM PDT by MrB (irreconcilable: One of two or more conflicting ideas or beliefs that cannot be brought into harmony.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Good luck to you and your sons.

I’d probably be a few weeks out of the FReeper contingent.


184 posted on 03/31/2009 11:45:25 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Broker
A "Joe" might get five rounds off before he is tagged in return.

True, but enough "Joes" will overwhelm the highly trained and well equiped jackbots. At the same time the "Joes" will self train and the jackbots will dwindle in numbers. Question is how many of our highly trained military and LOEs will blindly follow orders to shoot down our citizens.

185 posted on 03/31/2009 11:46:24 AM PDT by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: fella

Responsible “Joes” will get training ahead of time, NOW.

Also, don’t be the “lone wolf” making a stand in your house (and die).

Have an advance plan, make a strategic retreat when the raiders first come, get the word out, Bubba up, and meet the next raiders with organized resistance.


186 posted on 03/31/2009 11:49:49 AM PDT by MrB (irreconcilable: One of two or more conflicting ideas or beliefs that cannot be brought into harmony.)
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To: dawn53

Check out Midway USA online. Looked to me earlier today like they were about to get some remanufactured 9mm luger in. They also have some (pretty expensive) 9mm in stock, but not a lot.


187 posted on 03/31/2009 11:54:46 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: DuncanWaring
Why bury your arms? If the time's come that you need to bury them, then the time's come to put the 2d Amendment to the use for which it was intended. Do people really think the time to dig 'em up is 15 years after the juggernaut has rolled over us. and the JBTs have had all that time to tighten the noose around our necks?

Come on, folks, use your heads. The time for hoping things will get better in 15 years was 1994.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

188 posted on 03/31/2009 11:55:02 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: wku man

I’m in the camp of “Bury what doesn’t have an associated 4473, turn in the rest”.

Then, when the turn-in is done, it’s proven that “they” have irrevocably “crossed the Rubicon”, then dig the non-4473 stuff back up.


189 posted on 03/31/2009 12:02:03 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I’ve got some “Radway Green” (English) .303 Enfield ammo from the WWII era, shoots well.

I’ve also got some “Pakistani Ordnance Factory” ammo of the same caliber from 1967; doesn’t shoot worth a darn, (click-bang) especially when it’s cold.


190 posted on 03/31/2009 12:07:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I also had some 1944 .45ACP ammo, the last of which I shot off recently, that worked well.


191 posted on 03/31/2009 12:09:40 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MrB

My family wanted to take a trip to Italy but I didn’t want to go. I then later applied for my passport, solely to take a trip to Poland to see my favorite band (singer had a nice birthday party there).


192 posted on 03/31/2009 12:13:34 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: kellynla
“anticipating a record quarterly profit for its Winchester ammunition division”

We definitely helped that cause.

193 posted on 03/31/2009 12:16:15 PM PDT by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: Joe Brower

“Are you hoarding ammo”

Wise folks don’t answer such questions.


194 posted on 03/31/2009 12:21:15 PM PDT by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: wku man

I can see the need to bury a few in order to survive the first round of confiscation. If it’s in your house and they’re serious, they will find it. You probably need to have a few to give them to keep them happy. I think you would need a quick, hard to find, stash point so you can get your good stuff hidden on short notice. I can’t help but believe they know who has what. You should also create some real plausible deniability to explain what happened to certain missing pieces. Start now to develop some type of minimal paper trail, like a for sale ad posted on some internet site etc..., an ad in a local trader paper etc... Get your story straight in your head now and visualize the “sale” scenario so you can talk about it at will with comfort. If you plan to tell them you sold it at a gun show, as a walk in, go to the gun show, walk around, get the dates and feel of the place in your head so you can refer to your visual image. Picture the guy you sold it to. Maybe some guy came to your house to buy a refrigerator from your craigslist ad. Use him as you mental picture of you “buyer”. Use this guys car as the mental image of your “buyer’s” car. Do the mental and physical work now so you don’t have to hem and haw around when you get asked direct questions on that day.


195 posted on 03/31/2009 12:25:15 PM PDT by kneedragger111
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To: Lurker

Thanks. Then they wouldn’t be applicable for our needs.


196 posted on 03/31/2009 12:28:57 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax evaders?)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
” If there’s a way to package handgun and rifle cartridges for reliable 100 year storage (or even 50 year storage)…

Quality ammo will outlive you and your children, if simply stored under conditions which limit wide fluctuations in temperature and humidity. Storage in a consistently cool dry environment is all you really need. .22LR is most impervious to the ravages of time. It’ll last just about forever. I’ve had .22LR ammo bouncing around in desk drawers and garage storage cabinets for over 35 years that still functioned. In direct talks with the major manufacturers, they’ve told me their ammo has no known limits on self life. Remington told me specifically their ammo’s shelf life is “indefinite.” Special, Oxygen purging high tech archival storage in Nitrogen gas is unnecessary. Especially so for MilSpec ammo. Several thousand tons of Japanese ordnance went to the bottom of Truk Lagoon over sixty years ago. Sixty years immersed in salt water, yet it remains extremely dangerous to dive on those wrecks because the stuff will still go “BANG!” A local treasure hunter in our area was killed two years ago because he dug up and tinkered with Civil War cannon ball. It went off despite being buried in the ground for over a century.
197 posted on 03/31/2009 12:41:19 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will Work for Ammo)
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To: fella
10 days ago an unsupported, lone gunman took out four cops in Oakland. He tied 100 or so up for most of a day.
198 posted on 03/31/2009 12:46:39 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: MrB; Eye of Unk; alarm rider; Travis McGee; SLB

I just got back from one of the local gun shops and I am delighted to report that they still had (now in the past tense) several dozen boxes of 7.62x39 ammo and they were selling it for a rather reasonable price.


199 posted on 03/31/2009 1:25:12 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry. - Oliver Cromwell)
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To: Lee N. Field

Dang...I have been looking for .380 shells in San Antonio for weeks with absolutely no luck. I even stopped by the Cabela’s in Ft. Worth on my way back from MO yesterday. He said they got a shipment in on Saturday and it was gone by Sunday afternoon. I inherited my late Dad’s Belgian .380 (was my Grandfather’s originally) and plan to use it to get my CCW license to honor his patriotism. He was my hero.


200 posted on 03/31/2009 1:59:30 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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