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To: MHGinTN
First
I am no liberal. Not on a single issue.

Second
I have made a very logical, very legal, very understandable argument which you have failed to refute, or even answer very effectively.

Natural Born Citizen is the Opposite of Naturalized Citizen.

Can you show me where anyone, with any authority, disagrees with me on this point?

If you are a Citizen, and you were NOT Naturalized, You are, most likely, a Natural Born Citizen.

The ONLY exceptions would be for those who Congress has retroactively granted Citizenship. However, for those select people, I do not think that “Natural Born Citizen” applies, as they were not citizens at the exact moment or time of Birth.

My position has been consistent and sound, on EVERY “birther” thread. There is NO way that you can call me a “liberal” on this issue.

I want Obama to produce his Passport, his College Admission Records and a Certified Copy of his Original Birth Certificate.

How in the world can you call me a “liberal” while I hold all of these positions?

78 posted on 03/13/2009 3:10:36 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
I'll give you credit for being noisy, but you have tried to float a sylloogism that is not supported by the several SCOTUS decisions which have been explained by posters like Beckwith and BP2. You are trying to conflate all citizenship notice into only two categories and even Elg and Ark, upon careful reading, refute your assertion. You will not jsutify an anchor baby running for president ... and that is precisely what Bobby JIndal actually is! Yes, his parents are now naturalized, but they were not when he was born in the US so he is a natural born citizen as per the common sense reasoning of the founders who were most interested in allegiance not geography.

Bluster and claim anything you wish, but you are basing your entire noise-fest upon a false syllogism which ONLY you and obamanoid apologists hold to be 'the only truth' regarding 'natural born citizen'.

Pricks like you bluster that your foolishness has not been refuted. [prick = little nettle, nothing more] You don't deserve the repeated posting of material which expose your childish demands for the obamanoid defense mechanism you serve.

Who do you presume yourself to be that you demand someone refute your flawed syllogism? You aren't entering this a fresh. You've been reading the many and varied notions regarding the issue of what the founders meant with 'natural born citizen'. The Supreme court has deigned to ignore the need to clarify that. You're trying your obamanoid best to conflate the realities and make this a cut and dried slam dunk for your president. But your president is a fraud, a liar, and has not been vetted and certainly has not proven he is eligible by Constitutional standard.

Perhaps you are emboldened because the scotus has shown their perfidy toward my Constitution by ignoring the standing of a sovereign citizen to demand the man running for the office of president prove he is Constitutionally eligible. But stuff your feigned indignation at my not 'refuting' your very flawed and agenda-laden syllogism.

83 posted on 03/13/2009 3:26:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Kansas58

Baby, your methodology is typical liberal crap. Are you a liberal? Who can say? I don’t personally care what you think you are, your words betray your perspective.


84 posted on 03/13/2009 3:28:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Kansas58

You said — “How in the world can you call me a “liberal” while I hold all of these positions? “

I’m not the one you posted this to, but what is happening is the same thing that happens over and over again. When someone in “this group” does not like an answer — the only way they “converse” with you — is to basically call you a “liberal”... LOL..

No joke..., that’s the way it goes with this group... :-)


118 posted on 03/13/2009 7:32:15 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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