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Birther bill hits Congress
Politico ^ | 3/13/2009 | Ben Smith

Posted on 03/13/2009 11:57:12 AM PDT by AJ in NYC

Rep. Bill Posey, a freshman Republican from Florida, introduced a bill yesterday mirroring proposed state legislation in Missouri and elsewhere that stems from fringe doubts about Obama's eligibility for office.

The full bill text isn't yet available, and Posey's spokesman didn't immediately respond to a request for comment, but here's a summary:

H.R. 1503. A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution; to the Committee on House Administration.

Though Posey's spokesman wasn't available, a Feb. 13 letter from Posey to a constituent on the subject appears on a website pushing the story in which Posey noted that courts and Hawaii officials had rejected the claims, but didn't state his own view on the subject.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; billposey; birthcertificate; birther; birtherrebirth; certifigate; eligibility; obama; obamacrimes; obamatruthfiles; posey; usurper
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To: Kansas58

“You need to learn some manors.”

Unless you are in home renovation, it should be MANNERS.


121 posted on 03/13/2009 7:42:27 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Red Steel; pissant; Kevmo; ckilmer; EternalVigilance; Fred Nerks; null and void; BP2; LucyT; ...
Needless to say, writer Smith is nothing but a spear carrier for Obama. The phrase "fringe doubts about Obama's eligibility for office," in the very first sentence of his story, signals that he wishes to marginalize those on our side of the issue by casting doubt on our collective mental health.
122 posted on 03/13/2009 7:49:04 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Jet Jaguar

Yes, you are correct
I should have said manners -—

Spelling is the least important part of writing, but to some, spelling is all that matters.

Never met a good attorney, a good doctor, or a good businessman who could spell worth a damn.


123 posted on 03/13/2009 7:57:52 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: AJ in NYC; Red Steel; GreatOne; David; Just A Nobody; Clintonfatigued; jazusamo; Kevmo; BP2; ...
Even if Congressman Posey's bill is defeated, it will give the issue of Obama's constitutional qualifications - or lack thereof - a higher profile in the public debate.

Congratulations for your courage, Congressman, and best of luck!!!

124 posted on 03/13/2009 8:00:15 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Kansas58

Thanks.


125 posted on 03/13/2009 8:00:58 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Star Traveler
Thanks, and -—
Something Else to support my points:


“Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad

Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock: A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). One of the parents MUST have resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth. No specific period of time for such prior residence is required.
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(a) INA provided:

1) a blood relationship between the applicant and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;

2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the applicant's birth;

3) the father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the applicant reaches the age of 18 years, and

4) while the person is under the age of 18 years —

A) applicant is legitimated under the law of their residence or domicile,

B) father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or

C) the paternity of the applicant is established by adjudication court.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.”

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

The State Department!

This is the part that might disqualify Obama, if Obama was not born in the United States.

I still think it possible that Obama WAS born in the United States, but that he might be “embarrassed” (his words, in his court filing) by paternity or some other issue.

He is obviously hiding something!

126 posted on 03/13/2009 8:11:18 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Star Traveler
The fun part will be watching Obama try to get on the ballot, in these states!

Or, it will be fun watching Obama try to run in fewer than all 50 States!

Also, on the “standing” issue, make sure a Conservative Democrat runs, in the primaries or in the Caucuses, in any State that has a Birth Certificate requirement.

That Candidate might better have “standing” in Federal or State Court to force Obama to obey the rules!

127 posted on 03/13/2009 8:15:22 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Polarik

Well done my FRiend!


128 posted on 03/13/2009 8:20:06 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice againsnt fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: TomasUSMC
No President has ever had to post such proof before, and we have never had a President from Hawaii, before.
(That is, of Obama really IS from Hawaii).
129 posted on 03/13/2009 8:20:11 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: justiceseeker93

Whatever his motive, the tactics he uses work. He’s being as irritating to both sides of the issue as possible, because he wants hits on his blog.


130 posted on 03/13/2009 8:20:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Kansas58; Polarik; Jim Robinson; LucyT; STARWISE; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; george76; F15Eagle
He is obviously hiding something! >>>>>>>>>>><,p> You betcha!

And it is likely that his two books would be then seen as simple , dreamy fiction.

But at the same time, the suppression , all across the board, of Obama's history, and the suppression of his writings, college writings, anecdotal history all point to one thing.

That Obama has a hidden agenda, a personal agenda, a surreptitious agenda, which one can infer is nationalist socialism. It is that mold from which he was cast that has vanished. And it means great ill for America.

This is what is called , the sub issue, or even the universal issue, depending how one wants to regard it, that invests the birth certificate data issue.

And the suppressed information WILL come out , too many people are investigating it for that not to happen at this point

Thus we have so many Obama operatives now posting on the issue here on FR, to subvert that effort and marginalize it. Their presence has been welcomed, because in the final analysis, the inquiring minds of FR always win such issues. Jim Robinson knew this, and that is why he has allowed their presence, welcomed it,which was a very intelligent move on his part.

And so now, tens of thousands witness on Free Republic their solipsist effort, thereby proving the seriousness of the endeavor of this factual exposure, and its necessary execution for the benefit of a someday grateful nation.

We will prevail.

131 posted on 03/13/2009 8:44:21 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7; Kevmo

Kev - read Candor7’s comments.

Candor - I appreciate your view on this.


132 posted on 03/13/2009 8:48:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: little jeremiah
Just a boost for the troops

.....and mud in the eye for the tropes!

LOL.

We can start trolling for them now!

I love to fish, as many other freepers do.

We have about 20 such fish in the creel now.

More are welcome.

133 posted on 03/13/2009 8:54:42 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: Kansas58

At the end you said — “He is obviously hiding something!”

Oh yeah. I’ve thought so all along. I just don’t know exactly what it is. But no matter what it is, it will be good to get that legislation in place to make it a legal requirement to show certain and specific documentation.

I look forward to that time...


134 posted on 03/13/2009 9:00:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Kansas58

“Yes
Actually.
They can!”

What were you saying - “Yes We Can”? Hmmm - reminds me of something...a catch phrase...


135 posted on 03/13/2009 9:03:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: Kansas58

You were saying — The fun part will be watching Obama try to get on the ballot, in these states! Or, it will be fun watching Obama try to run in fewer than all 50 States!

Yes, I was hoping that we might see up to, maybe 20 states. That might be wishful thinking, but you never know. At least we’ve got three working on it now.

And yes, can you imagine Obama trying to get around, maybe 20 states... no way! This should break the whole thing wide open...


136 posted on 03/13/2009 9:32:17 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Kansas58

I concede only that if the legislature and legal system (grew a pair and) further defined “natural born” you could *become* correct. But until then, the language of Morrison Remick Waite and John Bingham stands as the most authoritative definition available. Ergo, in the language of my Constitution itself, every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is a natural born citizen. And, until we legally add to it, that is where it stands.


137 posted on 03/13/2009 9:38:33 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
I, too, would like more definition.

However, I still believe that precedence matters.

I still believe that Congress, or the Courts, if they were to rule on the matter, would take a hard look at the rules as they relate to Citizenship:

“Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.” US Dept. of State.

I strongly believe that “Natural Born Citizen” means what it says, in the phrase itself.

Anyone who is a Citizen, when they are born, is a Citizen due to natural birth.

That person does not need a Court or a Naturalization process, or an oath or an adoption.

I can find no authority, anywhere, that states one can be born a citizen, and at the very moment of birth be recognized as a Citizen, without also, simultaneously, being a Natural Born Citizen, as well.

138 posted on 03/13/2009 9:46:42 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
“Natural Born Citizen” means Citizen at Birth.

And where in the Constitution or the Common law as understood by the authors of and those who ratified that provision of the Constitution, is that written? Even a court case that says that, other than maybe in dicta?

Otherwise, it's just your opinion.

There really are no court cases, because the only time the distinction arises is for eligibility to the office of President. There has never been a President, or major party candidate, whose natural born status was questioned in court. Still aren't.

There is one President, Chester Arthur, who hid the fact that, while he was born in the US, and was thus a citizen at birth, his father was not naturalized until he was 14. The fact was only discovered until well after he had left office. And he was not elected to the Office, but rose to the office because as Vice President, his President, James A. Garfield, was assassinated. Of course the VP must meet the same qualifications, but generally does not get the same level of scrutiny, although his opponents did allege, falsely, that he had been born in Canada. Arthur actually lied about his father's status. He claimed that his father had come to the US at 18, and lived here for several years before marrying. He also lied about his father's age when he was born, as part of the "cover up".

So we've had a usurper before, one who knew he was a usurper. (How could he not have known that his father was naturalized when he was 14, nearly an adult in those days, and why would he lie about his father's age?) His mother was born in Vermont. His situation was thus very similar to Obama's except that we don't know for certain where Obama was born. But if he was born in Hawaii, the situation would very closely parallel Obama's, except that Arthur was raised by his parents, in Vermont, not in England, Canada or any other country, unlike Obama, who spent years living in and going the local schools in a foreign country (Indonesia).

139 posted on 03/13/2009 10:22:26 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

It is very rational to assume that a court, if asked to define, “Natural Born Citizen”, would rule that this simply means “Citizen When Born” -— That Citizenship was NOT due to Naturalization, but instead due to Birth.

It is very rational to assume that any Court would look at the laws of Citizenship, as they applied at the time of Birth, to make such a ruling.

No Naturalized Citizen may ever be POTUS.

If you are a Citizen, and were NOT Naturalized, and you were not granted Citizenship due to adoption, and you were not granted Citizenship by any retroactive law, but were a Citizen with your very first breath?

Well, then there is no Constitutional bar to you being POTUS.


140 posted on 03/13/2009 10:35:39 PM PDT by Kansas58
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