Posted on 03/04/2009 7:16:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
...Christian Bale...
and nope...in fact I think Bucky will be the only one NOT seeing the pattern emerging.
So why aren't they called "trees with fruit" in Genesis?
He who controls the past, controls your decisions and behavior in the present. That is the reason for historical revisionism.
The first time this happened:
Genesis 3:1,4
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Interesting. In your response to me you said that all you wanted was students to be told there was a book in the library that talked about Incompetent Design.
Now you unabashedly say you want creationism taught in science class.
Which is it?
Well allmendream, think about it, evolution is a process, so is ID.
That is the process of understanding it won’t happen over night any more than the ga-jillions of years it’ll apparently take to understand evolution, let alone witness evolution “unfold”.
And “incomptent design” is another of your endless strawmen projections that merely re-enforces to everyone but you the grip your cult has on you.
Who says the earth is the exact center of the universe, and how would one scientifically determine the center of something with no edges?
No, almost all scientist are in agreement about what constitutes science.
Ummmm nope, you yourself go on and on about religious apologetics when I refer to the chemist, so no they don’t.
Then there’s the whole Expelled” problem you have.
Hell, they can’t even agree on what to call Pluto, is it a planet, is it not...and so on.
Then there’s the whole issue about multiverse, string and membrane theory...and science can’t be science unless it’s strictly about natural science, which would squash any kind of scientific investigation into the effectiveness of prayer...
then there’s algore’s “the debate is over” and global warming in general...what the NEA teaches as science these days...
frankly you’re flailing about again today allmendream.
You can repeat and parrot but you’re still at square one.
How curious, I've yet to see any.
Because that's the starting point of the inquiry. It's called the theory of evolution.
I ask because microevolution has proved testable;
I agree. And, according to you, accretion of microevolutionary changes halts somewhere short of macroevolutionary change. I'm just asking you to explain why (and in doing so, maybe throw in some definitions of microevolution and macroevolution).
So logically this implies that the properties and processes of known quantities (i.e., those obtained by direct observation, which is pretty much confined to microevolutionary observation and testing) cannot be extrapolated to unknown quantities (which cannot be obtained by direct observation — that is to say, macroevolution and its suppositional properties).
Since you categorically reject inductive and deductive reasoning (not to mention forensics and all forms of circumstantial evidence), I take it that you also categorically reject, for example, plate tectonics.
Since we are speaking of two distinct epistemological or categorical orders here, on what basis do you rely to defend your allegation that they have a "common mechanism" between them in the first place?
See above.
atlaw: And, according to you, accretion of microevolutionary changes halts somewhere short of macroevolutionary change. I'm just asking you to explain why
The "burden of proof" falls to those making the claim that it does.
As betty boop has pointed out, they are distinct epistemological orders.
The eminent young-earth creationist scientist Dr. Russell Humphreys for one (here, too):
The idea that earth is at or near the center of the universe out of billions of galaxies is obviously unpalatable for anyone who denies purpose and design.It was also brought up, I believe, in the thread that you and I were on yesterday. Apparently a lot of young-earth creationists believe it.
As for how someone would scientifically determine such a thing, it beats me. But I keep getting told that Dr. Humphreys is a genius ahead of his time and that other scientists ignore him because they fear that he would expose them as hucksters.
If you continue to ask questions like this, you're going to end up in the doghouse, too. :-)
"That it does" is the inquiry of evolutionary biology. That inquiry has led, by way of small example, to the more than 112,000 articles available in this free archive.
In turn, Ms. Boop has posited "that it doesn't." Some explanation beyond taking-the-fifth seems in order.
Oops. See above.
A certain person described me as a "Christian" (with the quotes) about 5,000 times last night. I assume that means that I'm heading straight to hell. I've been told a number of times on FR that I'm not a real Christian.
While some creationists will acknowledge microevolution, they still want to cram it into an earth of only a few thousand years old, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
This creates massive cognitive dissonance, because even those who accept evolution do not put macroevolution into such a short timeframe.
Their only logical escape is to say that evolution is occuring, but at a very slow pace (true) and it doesn’t really mean anything since not much has changed in the past 6000-10000 years (also true).
It’s possible to have perfectly acceptable logic using faulty premises. The logic isn’t the problem. The starting point is.
meanwhile I guess this is the ONLY theory that requires it?
Why the heck do I need to "learn up" on them? They have nothing in the world to do with biology and quite frankly, they are far from my area of expertise. I see why you're upset though; I admitted I don't know something which is quite foreign to you.
Ahhhhhhh....so some more endless goal post moving...now that the argument has been destroyed we move onto "that's not science" to "that's not biology"?
I hardly think you're being undermined.
Undermining encompasses much more than crevo debates, now and then a liberal let's their slip show when it comes to their PC disease. Just because liberals are outnumbered doesn't mean they're somehow incapable of undermining.
I do find it funny that on the one hand you admit you don't know something but you demand everyone conform to your versions of "that's not science...errrr...that's not biology" nonsense just the same.
Not because it's true, but because we wouldn't want to go around having you all offended and so forth?
Some seem to judge your Christianity on a sliding scale of how out of whack with reality your cosmological model is.
And liberals seem to think Christianity in the first place is that with which agrees with your sensibilites in scripture and you just get to reject the rest, as you see fit.
(It’s not that hard to say the Pledge of Allegiance and skip the “under god” part if that’s what one chooses to do.)
But it’s too hard for children to properly hear or read that evolution is theory, not fact, or hear about ID at all, in any way shape or form.
Jeepers could it have anything to do with endless goal-post moving, strawmen, projections and intellectually dishonest liberal tripe on these threads day in and day out we see from evolutionists?
Ya think?
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