Posted on 02/13/2009 8:20:41 PM PST by cdchik123
In your initial post, you stated that the Bonus Army failed. I maintain that it succeeded beyond its expectations--as indicated in the article that you yourself linked.
Although it appeared at the outset to be a failure, the Bonus March and the governmenht's over-reaction to it stimulated public sympathy, as reflected in films such as Gold Diggers of 1933, helped to bring down the Hoover administration--and ultimately won the marchers their bonus.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? . . ."
". . . After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you,d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur"what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
The Gulag Archipelago - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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The Leftwingtards are prone to forgetting what the rest of us really think of them ~ and that’s why they’re still dangerous.
Hmmm--there's a phony conservative radio talk show host who gets his kicks bashing "Hush Bimbo" and Sean Vaniity." Could there be a connection?
Did you miss the part where the Federal government was more than willing to gas, shoot, and kill American citizens who were peaceably exercising their God Given and Constitutionally guaranteed First Amendment rights?
Did you catch the names of the Officers in charge of the Federal troops who did the killing?
If you think shutting down DC will bring a different reaction this time around you're hopelessly naive.
L
I didn't say that. You are putting words in my mouth and then slamming me for something I didn't say. Go back and read my original post
That would include most, if not all of them. According to the article you cite, two demonstrator--out of tens of thousands--were killed.
In his book Modern Times: The World From the Twenties to the Eighties (New York: Harper & Row, 1983), renowned historian Paul Johnson had this to say about the Bonus Army:
No episode in American history has been the basis for more falsehood, much of it deliberate. The Communists did not play a leading role in setting up the camp, but they organized the subsequent propaganda with great skill. There were tales of cavalry charges, of the use of tanks and poison gas, of a little boy bayonetted while trying to save his rabbit, of tents and shelters being set on fire with people trapped inside...Some of these fictions were still being repeated in respectable works of history even in the 1970's.
Why don't you ask your friend Lurker about that? As far as I know, he is the one trashing every Rush thread he can find with utterly nonsensical comments like, “Rush is as dangerous man, as dangerous as Obama.” He calls him a fat fraud and other personal insults. He offers no positive commentary. So your comment “If you disagree with his opinion argue a point but lay off the ad hominem” should be directed at him.
Why are we fulminating about resistance that will never materialize?
How do you know that? You can't possibly know what's going to happen in the future. Certainly we the people can directly influence the political landscape in the future at future elections. There are going to be national elections in 2 years, and if we get organized and get quality conservative representatives, we can put a good number of democrats out of power in the House and in the Senate. Also, as a group we can influence policy making, though I agree that having the House, Senate, and WH in the hands of socialists that will make that difficult, for now.
Elections have consequences, and those who couldn't vote for a GOP candidate because he wasn't “conservative enough” are now wallowing in the path of defeat and self-destruction, indulging in empty rhetoric, and pointing the finger of blame to those on our side. Those who didn't vote and allowed this two-bit commie with no job experience to become the most powerful man in the world have no credibility in telling the rest of us who worked hard against Obama that our ideas won't materialize. Indeed, those who will ultimately get something done are those that are active.
And I haven't personally called Lurker a traitor, but just by reading some of the comments on FR today, I've found out the Lurker has attacked the Republican Party, Rush, Hannity, as well as several Freepers. That to me is certainly unduly negative and has no place on FR.
You three have been around these threads for a long time, approaching nearly 10 years each
Well, for starters, these threads haven't been active for nearly ten years. They have been posted in recent days! But besides that, I've been in politics since my dad got me involved at 8 years old, though I'm still young I've been in the political arena for far more than 10 years. However, you aren't a spring chicken either. You've been on FR for 7 years and you still don't understand that most Freepers aren't defeatists. Sure, some are (as we can see on this thread), but most people are positive - and the reason we come to this site is to join forces based on our common conservative ideals.
Once one “of us” starts trashing us and attacks us, then something is broken. Disagreements happen, sure, and they are normal and can be productive. But bitter negativity isn't helpful. Yes, we have a difficult road ahead. Yes, anecdotal evidence often isn't meaningful. But 2008 isn't the last election the USA will ever have. We will win some and we will lose some. That's the mature approach, not unbridled negativity.
If you're willing to say that there will be consequences to shutting down talk radio, you should be willing to lay them out when challenged. If you assert an alternative plan, you should be able to tell us about it when challenged.
The consequences are largely legal. Reinstitution of the Fairness Doctrine will be challenged in the courts. Our side will win some of those battles and lose some of those battles. Radio host Mark Levin is personally looking forward to being invited at Congressional hearings, as well as launching law suits to challenge a new Fairness Doctrine. He isn't alone, either. These cases will take years to settle. They just may win, too. And in any event, that buys our side more time, and the GOP can make inroads in Congress and maybe win a chamber (or two). It's happened before, it can happen again. There are other consequences and strategies, but I need not explore them here. One, I don't claim to know all the strategies those on our side may have. Second, why should anyone on our side publicize detailed plans of our defensive strategy?
And one more thing... no one has attacked L, he attacked Rush and attacked Freepers with his comments, and we simply responded in kind, so stop whining! But hey, I guess you felt the need to do a friendly little rescue, huh?
P.S. Going to play tennis and enjoy it.
We are not there yet, and hopefully two years from now - at the next election - we’ll try to stop this bleeding and stem this problem from growing any further.
One of the many great scenes from the movie, Patton occurs when the General wakes a sleeping soldier and asks him what he's doing on the floor. The soldier replies, "I'm trying to get some sleep, General." Paton orders the soldier to go back to sleep saying, "you are the only son of a bitch around here knows what he's doing."
Enjoy your tennis game
“When the time comes, we will muzzle the Nazis, and it won’t be as gentle as the fairness doctrine.”
That’s a fact.
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