Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

[mlo]

"And he has whined to them ad nauseum."

You are making things up. I have responded to posts that others pinged to the moderator. I have hit the abuse button a couple of times on only one person.

[mlo]

"Oh, he sees my point he just doesn't want to acknowledge it."

Wrong. The criticism I posted of your point is perfectly valid. You just don't want to acknowledge it.

No case has reached the point of requiring evidence be produced. When and if that happens (a big IF) Obama may produce some.

You were trying to make something of the fact that no evidence has been offered to the court when no court has reached a point of needing any. Now that's illogicial.

[mlo]

"He has not been intellectually honest and has also posted veiled personal attacks."

Utterly false.

"Certainly dishonesty and wishful thinking is the case for many on both sides of the issue. That does not excuse others' personal attacks on him."

I have explained many times that the problem with posting personal attacks is that they aren't rational arguments. Calling someone a troll doesn't disprove what they are saying. But some of the regulars on the birther threads can only reach that level of argument.

[Las Vegas Ron]

I see you've been here 12 days now and have yet to post on anything but threads reguarding the BC issue.

What other sites do you troll?

[mlo]

"Since the obfuscators seem to be citing Wong Ark on this thread, perhaps they should consider this part:"

The obfuscators (birthers) have been posting this passage for months. It has been considered, many times.

The passage does not create an exclusive definition of "natural born citizen". It defines one category which is with doubt natural born, then says there are others about which there have been doubts. But it never says those doubts are justified or valid so it is clearly contemplating another group of people as natural born. Before deciding the question it moves on and says it isn't important for this case and bails on the subject. End result: nothing.

But if you read the entire decision, not just this passage from Justice Gray, you'll find that the decision does clearly settle the issue and does so in a way the birthers don't like.

[mlo]

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born."

"III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."

[sometime lurker]

Utter Rubbish. Firstly, It is claimed by his cheerleaders that 0bama has already made his birth location public information. Second, the hospital you were born in doesn't constitute "private health information". HIPPA provides confidentiality about your health condition. Presumably, we can safely assume 0bama was born somewhere, if he wasn't, then we have a whole different set of problems.."

This is something I'm familiar with, and HIPAA is being interpreted by medical facitilites a lot more strictly than most people realize. Even the fact of being a patient in a particular hospital is considered "protected health information."

“Individually identifiable health information” is information, including demographic data, that relates to:

* the individual’s past, present or future physical or mental health or condition,

* the provision of health care to the individual, or * the past, present, or future payment for the provision of health care to the individual,"

The FAQ page makes it clear that when a patient is in the hospital, the hospital may give out the room number to those who call and ask so they can visit. Medical facilities I'm familiar with won't give out that type confirmation once the patient is no longer in the hospital.

And no, it doesn't matter what the patient involved has made public. Unless there is a signed release, no medical facility would risk the penalties. HawaiianGecko posted earlier in this thread that she had to sign releases: "I have 4 children and 8 grandchildren, 4 times I signed a release allowing the hospital to release a birth announcement, and 8 times I witnessed a similar document being signed covering my grand children. "

[Las Vegas Ron]

Good catch...12 days, no other posts but on the BC issue.

[null and void]

Hi CG,

The very first itty-bitty baby Barak sighting recorded was by Susan Blake, on Mercer Island WA, just across from Vancouver BC.

Susan makes a point of saying that she showed Stanley Ann how to change a diaper.

Therefore itty-bitty baby Barak was so young that Stanley Ann hadn’t yet learned this most essential of maternal skills.

An hour’s drive from Vancouver, 2500 miles from Hawaii....

[seekthetruth]

I believe when the truth gets out, and Obama is removed from office there will be some riots. But not any more than we have had in the past. I have seen riots on TV over an arrest, over the results of a football game and other reasons. The law enforcement agencies handle it and it does not last long.

When folks realize just how much Obama lied to them, they will place their anger where it belongs...at the Democrat Party and Obama himself.

[null and void]

But the powers that be want an escape clause...the birth certificate. Nobody gets standing until it’s obvious that Obama has to go. At that point, the SCOTUS will surprisingly hear the case and give someone standing.

Unfortunately, I think you are correct.

[Radix]

"...Births are reported as a matter of record for a reason...."

Not anymore.

[Wil H]

Can you name anyone who had ever actually contacted someone of authority in his campaign and asked if he would release it?

Oh thanks! I get it now!

We don't know anything about this Charlatan because we all forgot to ask!

That explains it!

The online petition with over 220,000 signatories demanding he release it can be totally ignored, the seventeen or so law suits filed to try and get him to release it can be totally ignored. We just didn't ask the right person!

What a RIDICULOUS argument, how many contortions can you go through?

[TomasUSMC]

Certain people like to forget that Larry is a human being and prefer treating him like pond scum. I think he has as much, if not more, credibility than the Obamanoids
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Yep. Obambi makes pond scum look good. When is the last time Pond Scum decided to reward thieves with a trillion dollars and call it a stimulus.

We should not have to spend one more red cent until dozens of these wallstreet vipers and thieves and BarneyFrank are in jail.

[sometime lurker]

Agreed. The facts are important, whether we like what they say or not. On the other hand, it’s fun to speculate, as long as we’re clear which is which.

[Beckwith]

Thank you.

Won’t that frost the Obamalytes.

[Jim Noble]

It is difficult to know at this point when, how, and by what means the Obama administration will end.

The odds on it ending prior to noon on January 20, 2013 are certainly improving.

He would have been wise to have the Clintons arrested. When and if he's deposed, there will be one or more Clintons in the mix. THAT'S for sure.

[Scanian]

Isn’t that the one he gave to Ayers to use as source material for the “Dreams” book, which Ayers misplaced? (sarc)

[Las Vegas Ron]

and then instructed his office to return to me the fees we had pre-paid

Thanks for sharing...an uplifting story indeed!

[OafOfOffice]

All births are recorded in this country. You mean newspapers do not publish them because of identity theft and kidnapping. Newspapers and media still report births of famous people, politicians etc without permission.