Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
If Malcolm X is Obama's father, it would mean that Barack is a Natural Born Citizen.
The law was amended in 1982, there were laws allowing foreign born babies, or born in other states IIRC, to be registered in HI. I think the first such law was enacted in 1911, and had another amendment in the 60s. Chief Engineer knows all the details.
(Courtesy Ping to CE - this subject has come up so often I will copy and paste anything you say about it on my desktop, sorry to bug you again.)
"Again, you make no sense."
"Under the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 as it stood in 1961, 0bama wold NOT be a natural born citizen if born abroad because neither of his parents could confer that status."
No, you aren't making sense. What you mention here was not the issue.
The issue was about the claim he could get a Hawaiian birth certificate if he was born elsewhere.
See my comment above. It was amended in 1982, there was another similar law before. I don’t have the details but I hope CE will post them.
Any laziness is yours. When you make a claim it is up to you to back it up. How is anyone else supposed to know what you are talking about unless you tell them? That's inherrently irrational.
That doesn’t define “Natural Born,” it merely defines citizen at birth, which is not the same, and even then, those statutes are not retroactive; they only affect those born after their enactment.
Also note that the statutes that you post are in opposition to what you posted earlier. As per (a) a person born in the US is not a citizen unless under the jurisdiction of the US, so no resident visa, no citizen. Children of diplomats, and illegals that have not signed the acceptance clause in the application for a resident visa are not citizens, capiche????
No, I'm not saying that Mr. Obama goes back < 1934. The issue here is that he entitled to the benefits of current law or the older, whichever is more beneficial to him, unless specifically denied by a new, now current, law.
Example. Slavery was outlawed by the Emancipation Proclamation. It also served to make null and void previous laws regarding slavery, some of which granted certain rights to slaves, made certain commercial accommodations, etc, some of which actually benefited slaves. Although slavery was outlawed from the EP forward, the previous rights were not canceled.
The rights, benefits, innurements, are cumulative, not selective nor exclusionary. Yeah, there would be appeals on a ruling, but the foundation of this is well established.
No, I’m sorry you are wrong.
The legal meaning of Natural Born Citizen is one that is born a citizen, one that does not have to be “Naturalized” (made a citizen by operation of statute) at a later time.
It is NOT regulated solely by place of birth.
Argue all you want. The law is the law.
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Dang it, missed another one.
You like that phrase, don't you? Makes you sound all knowledgeable and stuff.
I think you're experiencing some {ZOT!} lightning burns now, yes?
Better put some ice on that. :-D
True.
We do know what is on the birth certificate. It says he was born in Honolulu.
Wait.
Would he still be if he was born in Canada or Kenya?
That info is found here and is how the Chinese national was able to obtain a Hawaiian birth certificate eventhough he wasn’t born in Hawaii.
“The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.”
Found here:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html
What you are referring to is his COLB, not his Birth Certificate.
The COLB has been widely discredited as a fraud by some.
It is also not clear as to what information was placed on a COLB in the case of a foreign born infant that was registered in Hawaii. Does the COLB reflect the actual place of BIRTH or the place of REGISTRATION?
The only definitive, authentic, document is the one that 0bama refuses to show.
Why is that?
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