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Seized gun poses puzzle
winnepeg sun ^ | 13 January, 2009 | CHRIS KITCHING

Posted on 02/01/2009 7:21:00 AM PST by marktwain

A submachine-gun seized during a gang house raid in Winnipeg's North End last week is unlike anything a police firearms expert has seen locally before.

What makes the gun so unique -- and troubling, police say -- is the way it was cobbled together.

"It looks like a hybrid or amalgam of gun parts," said police Det. Const. Rob Duttchen, a member of the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team.

SHOTGUNS STOLEN

Possibly homemade, the submachine-gun and five sawed-off shotguns, along with ammunition, were seized at a house in the 400-block of Manitoba Avenue on Jan. 7, police said.

Three males, aged 17, 27 and 28, are facing almost 120 charges.

Two of the shotguns were stolen during a break-and-enter in the District 6 area, Duttchen said.

The submachine-gun was loaded when it was found, said police spokesman Const. Jason Michalyshen.

It has parts consistent with those of a Second World War-era Sten and M-16 assault rifle, said Duttchen.

A certain level of expertise and knowledge would be required to make such a gun, he said.

Duttchen said the gun will be sent to a lab in Ottawa for examination as part of an investigation into its origin.

Police showed the firearms to reporters yesterday, along with an assortment of drugs and a 9-mm handgun seized during a separate bust Saturday afternoon in the 800-block of McCalman Avenue.

"We've got a significant amount of firepower here," Michalyshen said.

HOLLOWED-OUT BOOKS

The handgun was loaded at the time of the bust, he said.

Two of the more unusual items were hollowed-out books used to hide about $9,000 in cash, police said.

Officers also seized 31.5 ounces of cocaine, 17 ounces of marijuana, eight Percocet tablets, two grams of hashish oil and 3.2 ounces of the cutting agent benzocaine.

Police said the drugs allegedly belonged to a mid-level dealer.

Police said Marc William McIntosh, 29, is facing several drug- and weapon-related charges. He is in custody.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; canada; gun; homemade
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To: dirtbiker

Continued...
4.) The boss is an a$$hole
5.) Don’t bite your fingernails. Eeeeeew!
6.) payday is Friday.


81 posted on 02/01/2009 11:10:55 AM PST by postalx
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To: Southbound

Darn it to the pits of Heck!

Too slow!


82 posted on 02/01/2009 11:14:27 AM PST by postalx
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To: calex59; marktwain

83 posted on 02/01/2009 11:15:49 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: dirtbiker
I didn't bother to tell him that I had to re-wire the main breaker box because some idiot had used the white wire for ground instead of the green one....

Ah. Then you'd enjoy my post #71.

84 posted on 02/01/2009 11:27:46 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: calex59; marktwain

85 posted on 02/01/2009 11:29:36 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: calex59
My personal favorite photo of weapons found in Koje Do prison.


86 posted on 02/01/2009 11:38:28 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: calex59
From GUNS MAGAZINE. Ignore the bottom caption as it is for factory made pistols/ The pearl handled pistol shown was made from a piece of railroad iron.


87 posted on 02/01/2009 11:39:13 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: calex59; marktwain
I remember back in the late 1960's Gun World had an article about a 1911 Colt pistol handmade in Vietnam or Cambodia, the Cao Dai pistols. I don't have a photo of it but it is mentioned in SMALL ARMS OF THE WORLD by Ed Ezell, 1977

Another interesting book is ZIPS, PIPES, AND PENS by Truby published by Palladin Press. It is loaded with various zip guns.

Then there is WEAPONS OF THE AMERICAN UNDERGROUND with aricles on home made sub machine guns.

In the 1980's there was a magazine FIREPOWER, which built and tested many of these machines. That is when LICENSED NEW machine guns were still legal to buy.

This is my last photo.

Yessir'e gun control works, doesn't it!


88 posted on 02/01/2009 12:14:42 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I remember back in the late 1960's Gun World had an article about a 1911 Colt pistol handmade in Vietnam or Cambodia, the Cao Dai pistols. I don't have a photo of it but it is mentioned in SMALL ARMS OF THE WORLD by Ed Ezell, 1977

Is this the one?


89 posted on 02/01/2009 12:22:58 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; hockea

Thanks to both of you guys, especially Ruy Dias de Bivar for his 6 replies and the in depth answers he gave. I appreciate both of you answering. Very few people know about the guns made in Prisons, due mainly to the MSM hushing up any article that might mention them, and it is good to know someone out there has a memory as good as mine or at least(in the case of Ruy Dias)has done more research than I have lately on the subject. :)


90 posted on 02/01/2009 12:35:06 PM PST by calex59
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; hockea
I remember back in the late 1960's Gun World had an article about a 1911 Colt pistol handmade in Vietnam or Cambodia, the Cao Dai pistols. I don't have a photo of it but it is mentioned in SMALL ARMS OF THE WORLD by Ed Ezell, 1977 Another interesting book is ZIPS, PIPES, AND PENS by Truby published by Palladin Press. It is loaded with various zip guns. Then there is WEAPONS OF THE AMERICAN UNDERGROUND with aricles on home made sub machine guns. In the 1980's there was a magazine FIREPOWER, which built and tested many of these machines. That is when LICENSED NEW machine guns were still legal to buy.

I remember reading an article about Vietnam in one of the gun magazines some time around 1970 that showed a bolt action rifle that was a copy of a chinese WWII rifle that had been hand made with files and not much else. Once the knowledge of firearms is out there, it cannot be suppressed.Can you imagine making a gun out of a file? How about Carbine Williams making the M1 Carbine in prison? It just isn't possible to stamp out guns, regardless of what liberal a**hats tell us.

91 posted on 02/01/2009 12:39:30 PM PST by calex59
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To: org.whodat
That is not a home made, it is a WWII 45, cal grease gun.
92 posted on 02/01/2009 12:46:50 PM PST by calex59
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To: org.whodat
That is not a home made, it is a WWII 45, cal grease gun.

Messed up the first post, here it is again!

Sorry, while it may not be home made it is NOT an M3 Grease gun. The ejection port is on the wrong side, for one thing. Many sub-machine guns were made out of stamped parts and resembled the grease gun. BTW, I was in the army from 1950 to 1962 and us tankers were armed with grease guns, so I can tell one at a glance. The ejection port is on the right side of the weapon(right side determined if you were holding it)and they have a cocking groove in the bolt(early ones didn't). They were great weapons even though they looked cheap and shoddy.

93 posted on 02/01/2009 12:50:12 PM PST by calex59
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To: marktwain; All

Everyone was enjoying this post about an illegal homemade submachine gun, that I thought you might enjoy this one about a legal homemade open bolt .22 single shot pistol.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2176331/posts


94 posted on 02/01/2009 1:44:50 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I’ve watched enough people that I know you use cement for PVC and pipe tape for iron pipes.

And that you should shut the breaker for any outlets you’re replacing in a room.

Don’t know anything about cars, unfortunately.

Should we all have to conglomerate in a couple of states, I know I won’t be useless.


95 posted on 02/01/2009 1:48:19 PM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Tarpon

Then it’s a good thing I’ve never done the club scene.

Rock concerts are a different story, however.


96 posted on 02/01/2009 1:51:57 PM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Still Thinking
This was a 240 volt, single phase circuit, with black, white and green wires. Black and white are hot, green is ground, is the "normal" way to wire it.

This guy had black and green hot, white ground.

I wondered why that damned box kept shocking me....

97 posted on 02/01/2009 2:08:14 PM PST by dirtbiker (Obama is America's first Affirmative Action president....)
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To: Tarpon

Then it’s a good thing I’ve never done the club scene.

Rock concerts are a different story, however.


98 posted on 02/01/2009 2:08:19 PM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: dirtbiker

If it’s commercial and thus done as wires in flex or BX as opposed to Romex, B-phase should be something other than white. NEC 200-7


99 posted on 02/01/2009 2:35:43 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: dirtbiker

I meant to add that red is the usual color for B-phase in 240.


100 posted on 02/01/2009 2:39:00 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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