Posted on 01/30/2009 10:29:31 AM PST by 444Flyer
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Why should Obama’s feel good to the left policies have to take into acoount little things like American lives, justice, etc?
Liberals and their policies are scum and we need people to stand up and call them out.
Closing the base in a year didn’t have to include a reprieve for the terrorists.
The comments are unbelievable.
One writer asking why we were so far from home in the first place.
Evidently they would like all our ships to stay in US ports so they’re safe.
5 currently held at Gitmo are alleged 9/11 conspirators.
Yahoo: “Lists of release Guantanamo prisoners who allegedly returned to battle”
See also:
“GUANTANAMO DETAINEE RESURFACES IN TERRORIST GROUP”
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/23/mideast/detainee.1-414168.php
“RELEASED DETAINEES RETURN TO TERROR TRAIL”
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24960621-23109,00.html
Diligence is the only thing to cure it.
Remember how much they loved us before Gitmo? before Bush even?
Remember the love?
WTC, Khobar towers, USS Cole, African embassys, 9-11 planning.
I bet we will feel more love from the world like that soon because of the Messiahs concern for what they think about us.
Obama is a MISERABLE FAILURE. I thought maybe once he became President he would back off some of these idiot decisions. I will NEVER respect this man. He championed our troops defeat, voting against funding them, said their missions could never succeed.
NOW THIS!
Never forget, never forgive.
Surround the United nations building with a large US military force and house the prisoners there until they die.
The last Democrat president turned down an offer from the Sudan to hand over Osama bin Laden. President Bush never made an issue of it even though Clinton was on tape admitting it. 9/11 would never have happened.
Thank you for speaking up retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kurt Lippold.
I appreciate you.
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Slightly different topic - QUOTE:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2167923/posts
Plans to close Gitmo anger 9/11 victims’ families
AP via WTOP.com News ^ | January 20, 2009 - 3:32am | By BEN FOX,
Posted on January 20, 2009 2:48:21 AM PST by Cindy
GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) - Plans to close Guantanamo are not sitting well with the Sept. 11 victims’ relatives who sat stunned while two alleged terrorists declared they were proud of their role in the plot.
(Excerpt) Read more at wtop.com ...
Obama is not saying to release these people.
That said, the closing of GITMO is stupid. It will cost the American tax payer; become a huge mess where terrorists get the chance to scream into the microphone; difficult to legally deal with because of the status of the terrorists, jurisdiction, and the classification of the information that is used against them; even the safety of these terrorists is an issue since they might get killed by fellow inmates........... In no respect does this make sense other than it “sounded good.”
What Obama will do is remove himself from the issue. OTHERS will have to figure out the who, what, where, when, and why and in this case the most important, how. Others will take the egg in the face, others will pay with their tax money, but Obama reaped the benefits on the campaign trail and that's all it was about. Now he will elevate himself above the issue, and the troubles associated with this move will be on the back of the DoD, some poor sap in the Justice Department, etc. OTHERS will now take the beating when things go wrong or get ugly. It's not a real terrorist act we're concerned with, but all the other crap that will ensue with this decision. IMHO
This is why zer0 wants his own Civilian *army* just as strong, just as well funded and just as large as our present military. Where is the funding coming from zer0? What a joke this manchild is.
But that will be the end result in many cases. They will have trials, probably in civilian courts, there will be an inability to provide evidence on the worst of them, due to classification (and protecting sources and methods) problems. Even on the lessor ones, finding the witnesses who were present when they were captured is going to be difficult.
Judges will let them go wholesale.
The problem isn't the outcome, but the mess that will now ensue because of some silly political maneuvering.
Where do they go? If we divide them up and send them to other federal prisons, they will not only have special needs in some cases, but also will require protected from other inmates.
This is the problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui
A French citizen which once in a civilian court makes things more complex, requiring special needs and security in prison, a trail that became a joke that he used to spew his ideology........ Now multiply this times 250. In addition to that, there are security concerns reference our own intelligence collection techniques, sources etc. There will be a high price for this in dollars and cents as resources will be pumped into making this happen, even if this isn't disclosed and forgotten by a media. But all of this was trumped by some words that felt really good. The DoD and DoJ as well as others will “make it work,” but in hind sight the question that the media should really ask and isn't is “How much sense does all this really make?”
Very little threat of ever escaping, contaminating others with their ideology, efficiently kept where all have similar needs, tried in a court that can easily deal with classified materials, in a location where they have less access to the media and can stir the pot, less........, GITMO somehow became a “symbolic” rallying point around which the Bush haters, antiwar pundits, and Muslim apologists rallied.
Listen to the arguments for closing GITMO. They make no sense. They're all about feelings. These people aren't POWs, they're not American citizens. They committed their crimes in distant foreign countries for the most part. Some were picked up on the battlefield in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, or handed over by other nations. Many of these people would have been hung or shot on the spot years past when picked up on a battlefield wearing no uniform, fighting under no flag, and essentially engaging in acts of violence that if they were soldiers would be deemed war crimes. If you look at every single argument these people throw out against GITMO you see it's ALL based on “I feel it's wrong because the US Constitution..... I feel it's wrong because they are POWs...... I feel it's wrong because we torture there....... I feel it's wrong because XYZ.” It's all trash, but closing GITMO makes many people feel good.
With these guys you never know when "someone" will decide they need to be martyred in order that their "brothers" get out of the prison. Or that the "brothers" have turn apostate and need to be "taken care of".
All that would be very hard to do at GitMo. Not so hard at a stateside prison, even at a supermax. Now maybe someplace like Alcatraz.. or a new "Devils Island".
There are a couple of small islands in the Hawaiian chain that might work. Including the one that served for years as a bombing range.
Exactly! As well as Col. James Pohl!
Note: The following text is a quote:
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=52990
Judge Dismisses Charges Against USS Cole Suspect at Guantanamo
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Feb. 6, 2009 – Charges against an accused terrorist being held at the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, were dismissed yesterday by the judge who oversees the military commissions system, Defense Department officials said.
Susan J. Crawford, the convening authority for military commissions at Guantanamo, yesterday dismissed the government’s charges against Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri in accordance with President Barack Obama’s order to temporarily halt activities there, Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell told the Pentagon Channel today.
However, Nashiri isn’t going anywhere, Morrell pointed out. The suspected al-Qaida operative, he said, will remain confined at Guantanamo and could have charges brought against him in the future.
Nashiri “will remain in custody, charges can be brought against him again if the administration would choose to do so in the future, and we are fully in compliance with the executive order the president signed a couple of days after his inauguration, halting all military commissions activities” at Guantanamo, Morrell said.
The White House has tasked the Pentagon to review detention operations at Guantanamo to ascertain whether or not detainees are humanely treated according to the Geneva Conventions.
Obama is scheduled to meet with victims of the USS Cole bombing and the 9/11 attacks at the White House today.
Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates this week directed Navy Adm. Patrick M. Walsh, the vice chief of Naval Operations, to lead the Pentagon’s assessment of Guantanamo’s detainee operations. Walsh is at Guantanamo now and his review is to be completed within 30 days.
Nashiri is the alleged planner of the Oct. 12, 2000, bombing of the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole when it was berthed in Aden, Yemen. Seventeen U.S. sailors died and 39 were injured in the attack.
Some family members and friends of servicemembers killed or injured in the USS Cole attack have voiced concerns that Nashiri could escape justice if the detention center is closed within a year, as is stipulated by Obama’s Jan. 22 executive order.
“We all feel for them,” Morrell said of the grieving families and friends. “The last thing anyone wants to do is victimize these people twice.”
The bottom line, Morrell said, is that Nashiri remains in U.S. custody.
“He is confined and will be until some determination is made by a court or some legal authority in the future,” Morrell said. “The only thing that has happened now is that his legal case will not proceed while this review is under way into the whole military commissions process.”
A military judge at Guantanamo on July 29 ordered that legal proceedings against Nashiri continue. The judge scheduled Nashiri to be arraigned Feb. 9. The judge’s order contradicted Obama’s Jan. 20 directive to Gates to cease referring any new cases through the military commissions process at Guantanamo Bay and to request 120-day continuances on all active cases there. Two days later, the president issued three executive orders, one of which directs the closure of the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay within the year.
Pentagon spokesman Navy Cmdr. J.D. Gordon yesterday said that Crawford’s decision regarding Nashiri “reflects the fact that the president has issued an executive order which mandates that the military commissions be halted, pending the outcome of several comprehensive reviews of our detention operations at Guantanamo.”
Biographies:
Geoff Morrell
Related Sites:
Military Commissions Act of 2006
Military Commissions Fact Sheet
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