Posted on 01/26/2009 6:11:23 PM PST by Calpernia
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When is Berg going to be on the Jesse Peterson show?
Just called Jesse Peterson’s Producer and Berg will be on at 11 EST 10 CST 8 PST. Don’t miss it.
Jesse Peterson is a uniter. Great Show by an intelligent insightful Black American.
Listen here:
http://www.bondinfo.org/media/radio/radio_show.php
You can listen to the archives anytime. www.bondinfo.org
Philip Berg still a no-show again so far.
http://www.podcastalley.com/podcast_details.php?pod_id=48409
Thanks for that link. Interesting!
“Pres_ent”
What a PERFECT name!
From http://drorly.blogspot.com/
There is a biography of Barry Soetoro ‘s Occidental College days. It states that when Barry Soetoro was 18-19 he attended school as BARRY SOETORO. And it wasn’t until he met a girl by the name of REGINA that was the first to start calling him Barack. See:
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/obama-at-occidental-college/
The importance of this is that it clearly shows that Barry was using his Indonesian name, and of course, his Indonesian passport.
The International Herald Tribute (The Global issue of the New York Times)
also states:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/08/america/obama.php
“Nearly three decades ago, Barack Obama stood out on the small campus of Occidental College in Los Angeles for his eloquence, intellect and activism against apartheid in South Africa. But Obama, then known as Barry, also joined in the party scene.”
The LA Times also claims below that Barry was the choice of names that Barry Soetoro used when he first arrived from Hawaii to Occidental:
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/29/local/me-oxy29
“Memories of 1980 at Occidental College’s Haines Hall have the standard fragments of the era: stereos blasting the B-52’s through the dorm, pot-fueled bull sessions about the revival of draft registration, late-night cramming for economics exams.
“That otherwise private nostalgia took on public significance this month when a former Haines Hall resident from Hawaii known at the time as Barry announced that he was forming an exploratory committee to run for president of the United States.”
Even Occidental College states that Newsweek reported that Barry entered their college as BARRY SOETORO under his Indonesian passport and NOT as Barack Obama.
It was at Occidental where he stopped being called “Barry” and became Barack Obama, Newsweek pointed out in its account of Obama’s formative years that featured his black-and-white freshman photo on the cover. “It was when I made a conscious decision: I want to grow up,” he told the magazine.
One of Barry Soetoro’s college buddies says this of our Indonesian student:
http://www.verdugomonthly.com/article.php?id=382&IssueNum=32
“Tom Moyes remembers the first time he heard the name Barack Obama. It was in the fall of 2004, after the electrifying speech Obama delivered at the 2004 Democratic Convention. That was the oration, of course, which introduced the young would-be Illinois Senator to America and inspired an instant following not only in the U.S. but around the world. Moyes had missed the speech because he was on an extended vacation in New Zealand at the time. “So I pick up this newspaper,” says Moyes, who grew up in San Gabriel and graduated from Occidental College in Eagle Rock, “and it has this huge article about this guy Barack Obama. And it says he had gone to Occidental at the same time I was there. And I said to myself, ‘There’s no way.’ I’d never heard the name Barack; I’m thinking it must be a mistake. “So I call a friend I went to Oxy with, Ken Sulzer, and I say, ‘Ken, I’m down here in New Zealand and there’s this article about some guy named Barack that went to college with us. Who is that?!’” “I said, ‘That’s Barry, man,’” says Sulzer, using the nickname Obama went by during his youth, “the guy with the big afro who lived across the hall from me in the dorm.’
It is clear that the students at Occidental did not know Barry Soetoro by the name of OBAMA. Instead he was using his Indonesian name and passport. This story cleverly hides the fact that the confusion came not from the first name Barry or Barack, but because of the LAST NAME Soetoro vs. Obama.
Okay so why did Barry suddenly change his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama a year after he entered school? (I don’t believe that REGINA story above.) It was simple. His mother and adopted dad got divorced in August of 1980. So naturally, when he entered Occidental in 1979 he used his Indonesian name...then immediately after his mom’s divorce he desired to revert back to his birth name of Barack Obama.
See divorce records at: http://decalogosintl.org/documents/Soetoro_Divorce.pdf
I just happened to notice this, now — “Mark my word: There is more to this than the BC”
You know..., that is most likely true, that there is a lot more here than what’s been put forth and done about the qualifications issue (per the Constitution).
What one has to realize is that whatever the other stuff is — it’s really a matter of finding something that “resonates” with the voting public, or is able to “gain traction” some way. That’s the only way that things like this make a difference in politics.
I know that there are people upset that one thing or another is not paid attention to and it just doesn’t seem right, but it does work that way in politics. It’s not always like going to a court of law and expecting clear-cut decisions. Even then (going to a court of law) doesn’t work either, as should be apparent now (and especially with Clinton’s “lack of conviction” in the Impeachment process).
I think people are going to have to be a bit smarter than just hammering on every little detail of one problem or another. It’s a matter of finding the *one thing* that is going to “resonate* and “get traction” with the voting public. That’s a tall order, however.
In the meantime, all of the conservatives are faced with a current and sitting President with a lot of Democrat support in Congress able to put forth a lot of things which are against conservative principles. That’s the main fight now, I would say.
Until one thing is able to “gain traction” with the voting public, then it’s just spinning wheels and not really getting anywhere.
That’s why I posted that it was facing up to the “reality” of the situation in that the voting public didn’t think it was relevant (before the election and after the election) regarding the accusation that Obama is not qualified per the Constitution. That’s because the majority of the voting public (I would say the *absolutely vast majority* of the voting public, including a lot of conservatives) think he is qualified in that one respect.
If certain people persist in going down this track all through the Obama Administration, it will simply “sideline” them into this track and nothing much will happen from these people, other than that. That’s my particular “reality view” of the situation.
I would say it’s going to be a lot more effective dealing with Obama on what he’s going to do with Congress, as far as the conservatives are concerned about it, than anything else...
In that light, I’m calling this “Obama Derangement Syndrome” (not my title, but from elsewhere) and not getting anywhere, and not facing reality. That’s my position on it, and so when I post to that effect, it has nothing to do with me not being a conservative, but rather with my view of it being — “deranged” and “obsessed” and “consumed” with something that will result in nothing...
BUT, even so and even saying that, I’m sure that many will continue to persist in referring to me as a DU plant, an Obot, or having voted for Obama, etc. and etc... LOL...
Thank you for the update.
Supposedly tied up in court again, same as yesterday.
It sure would be interesting to know whether he entered Occidental as a foreign student using an Indonesian passport, and if he used that passport to go to Pakistan in 1981, and when he stopped using said passport. And if he ever held a US passport before hitting the bigtime.
See post 210.
As you know asking for documentation is NOT a conspiracy. It done every day in people everyday life. Following the cases in court is being done by some of the finest legal minds I know...not just dad....Many of the judges and lawyers in our area is following what is being done....and can’t believe he has not just turned the BC over.
Those who are researching bo history are not just looking at his BC, but his pattern in life that he is trying to hide.....Why hide them or rewrite them unless there is something to hide?
You won’t find anything if you chose not to look. Even Fitz can’t help but see some areas that need further discovery....Are you asking for people to stop looking?
You said — “As you know asking for documentation is NOT a conspiracy.”
Well, it’s right there — in that line — that the problem exists, and you should know that, too — from what I’ve said before.
It’s that it’s not required, which is why this is going nowhere. The laws that *will require* it — are now being formulated by the state of Arizona and the state of Oklahoma. I hope more states get on board.
The “conspiracy” represents the *mindset* of those who think that even without legal proof in a court of law and even without any legal requirement to produce a specific kind of document, or any kind of court order of the same — that when this does not happen — it *is a conspiracy* — and that is exactly what a number of posters think (who are into this line of thinking about the qualifications issue). So, yes — it’s a “conspiracy” in the minds of those going down this track.
I call it “Obama Derangement Syndrome” (someone else’s term).
The court cases are not going to go anywhere, absent the *legal requirement* (which no other President has been required to do, either). So, the courts are not going to apply something to one President that has not been required of other Presidents.
What have other Presidents been *required* to do? Well, very simply — exactly what Obama did. What did Obama do? Well, very simply, signed statements (from him, his campaign and his party) that he is qualified.
That’s why this is going nowhere.
You should know that’s what I’ve been saying all along, and that I’m calling it “conspiracy” — exactly because people who want this *particular documentation* are calling it “conspiracy” when they don’t get exactly what they want....
Two states “on board” so far — Arizona and Oklahoma. Any other takers?
Oh..., and at the end you said — “You won’t find anything if you chose not to look. Even Fitz can’t help but see some areas that need further discovery....Are you asking for people to stop looking?”
Well, I say make Obama hand it over, not have people “look for it”. LOL...
That’s precisely what these laws will do. If you can’t get something (and you won’t be able to dig up the original documentation, because it’s under control of the person it concerns (per Hawaii’s laws; I think a relative might be able to get it, if I read the law right, but that remains to be seen) — again, if you can’t get something, make a law that requires you to “produce it” to “qualify”.
That’s the simple answer. It’s a way to do the same thing you’re saying, but making it *just as mandatory* as it is for us to get a driver’s license. Such a simple solution...
You’re reaching a bit here. He went by “Barry Obama” from the time he moved back to Hawaii circa 1970. There’s no reason the NZ guy would have remembered him as much more than “Barry the black guy down the hall.” I’m younger than Barry and I can barely remember any of the last names of white students beyond my close group of friends at college, much less the “strange ethnic” last names of people in my dorm one year who were Indian etc etc. Barry went to college (only 2 yrs @ Oxy remember) under the name Obama and any foreign student aid he got was due to his Kenyan origins, not his Indonesian connection.
Re ST—just ignore it, like The Enterprise going thru a very minor ion storm. It feeds off attention, better to starve it.
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