Posted on 01/03/2009 7:01:24 AM PST by dascallie
Last night Ed Hale presented the (heretofore, unseen) divorce decree on Plains Radio between Obama's mother and Obama Sr ( her FIRST marriage).
The key bonus in this was the revelation of the specific version of her name in the decree, Stanley Ann D. Obama.
Using this precise name variation ( the abbreviated, initial "D" --instead of 'Dunham', was the cipher that broke open the search), they are claiming to have now located a POE (Port of Entry ) document that Obama's mother provided when she returned to the US with her son--soon after Obama's birth, (allegedly in Kenya).
The POE allegedly includes Obama's birth information/certificate ( British Kenya) as required for entry. Stay tuned for events...see other comments below. -------------------------------------------------- DesertVet Newbie
Posts: 11 Re: Obama-Dunham 1964 DIVORCE DECREE Forthcoming « Reply #53 on: January 02, 2009, 09:39:16 PM » ***********Stanley Ann D. Obama*************
No secret I've been highly skeptical on this whole ordeal. I'm now beginning to think this could very well lead the way to the smoking gun. Until this document she has only been known as "Dunham", no where in public records has Obama's Mothers name read as it does on this divorce decree. I believe the "D" being abreviated has allowed them to locate her records. This has led them to a "port of entry" birth certificate for Barack Obama. She submitted this POE certificate when she came back to the US, and the fact that there is a POE Certificate...proves that he was indeed born out of the country.
This would mean that Obama has never been through Immigration & Naturalization Services in his life, he became a citizen of Indonesia, and never applied for a U.S. passport. If this is the case, then he's not even a citizen, let alone a natural born citizen.
I'm not 100% certain on my assertion of above take on this document issue, but I think it is HIGHLY plausible. I'm still not ready to dance in the streets by any means yet (Yeah, I'm a tough sell). But I am quite intriguied at the moment. Couldn't say that earlier today.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amendment?
Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country. Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amended certificate of birth?
Late registration, registration one year or more after the date of the event’s occurrence, of certificates are permitted subject to evidentiary requirements.
Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for late registration?
Requests to change an item (e.g., following a legal change of name) on a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth will result in the cancellation of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth and the preparation of a late birth certificate in lieu thereof, subject to the evidentiary requirements specific to late registration in connection with Certificates of Hawaiian Birth.
Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for a late birth certificate in lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?
http://birthdatabase.net/hawaii/birth-records.htm They are on file at the Hawaii State Archives, the Department of Health, and the Daughters of the American Revolution Library in Honolulu, and many are at the FHL in Salt Lake City. Since 1911, delayed birth certificates can be applied for in Hawaii.
Since the electoral votes have not yet been counted, it's possible that the ones cast for Obama for President would be declared invalid. In that case no one would get a majority of the electoral college votes and the election would be thrown into the House of Representatives. They are constrained to pick from the top three vote getters, which would be McCain, unless some Obama elector was "unfaithful" and voted for someone else..say Hillary. Then the House could choose between that person or those persons, and McCain. I don't think the uber majority Democrat House would pick McCain.
Now if this did no come through until after the votes are counted, well then it's a mess, but Biden would be acting President under the 25th amendment, until a President shall have qualified. I don't know if that means it would go to the House per the 12th amendment or not, I guess that's all that would make sense, since the Constitution clearly does not provide for an election "do over".
Lol, the case can be made that the term only applied to the lifetime of the founders. They didn't want some British born resident still loyal to the crown to become president and steer US policies to favor Britain. Is that still a big concern in 2009? Some things in the constitution are very specific, some things are very, very general, and some things fall in between. Try as you might, you cannot prove any precise definition of "natural born citizen" that has affirmed by the SCOTUS, and how it applies to anchor babies, which is how this discussion between you and me started.
And save the Democrat/Republican silliness. You are not the final arbiter of what is and is not conservative. That's a personal opinion, and one cannot always know how the most conservative, or most liberal judges will rule on particular cases.
But, hey, do you think this prospective candidate from my #313 should be allowed to run for president:
I doubt they look ahead and wanted to prevent some kid born in a border town hospital of Mexican parents, who spent his entire life in the US, maybe served in the armed forces, and maybe became the first Hispanic-American Senator from Texax, I doubt the founders intended to prevent that citizen from being able to run for president in the 21st century.
mojitojoe, My apologies. The article came out this morning and I did not check out the electoral votes as of this morning. They are all there.
Dayum!
wow....great research!
Here is the Hawaii law that you are referring to.
However, under this law, Obama if born outside of the State of Hawaii could not have been granted a BC.
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
I used to be able to access a lot of files that are no longer available without paying through the nose. I’m not sure about the POE files, but I’m guessing that if they are to be had, one would have to subscribe to some org. that has sewed up the rights to access. The Mormon Church in Salt Lake City has the most comprehensive geneology files in the world. Don’t know if they have POE files, but might have if someone would like to check. I’m not up to sitting that long right now. Having some structural system problems.
I agree with that, and don't think they should be granted citizenship. But since so many have been recognized as citizens, I seriously doubt any efforts would succeed in preventing one from running for president.
The anchor baby nonsense is the greatest weakness in our being able to control who resides in the US, but I don't see it being changed any time soon, if ever.
Unless there was at least one "faithless" elector who voted for some other prominent Democrat. Then even if she only got one electoral vote, the House could, and likely would, pick her.
Bad as that would be, it's preferable to having an ineligible person, a usurper if you will, pretending to be President. It would also at least be consistent with the Constitution.
Best post of the day. Thank you. The birth issue is a tiny piece of the puzzle and it's never good to put all of your eggs in one basket. There is so much out there, so many other issues. The house deal with Rezko, Michelle's instant raise when he was elected in IL, his trip to Africa to help his cousin, Odinga and the ensuing violence that erupted, I could go on forever. I honestly think this election was planned years ago. It was bought by people so powerful and so wealthy that nobody will touch it. Not the Supremes, not Congress. I believe they know now they were snookered, but feel the only way out is to let him, let it play out. Sad but true.
I have been in contact with the author of that particular book, Michael Patrick Leahy, and he has agreed that there is an absence of evidence that Obama Sr and Ann ever lived together. He is changing some errors which he had written and the searching continues including further research on the registered owners of the property used in the birth announcement. He also agrees with me that Ann stayed in WA state after she registered for the extension courses which is why she registered as Ann Dunham, so she was eligible for in state tuition. Remember she had graduated from Mercer Island High School, and lived continuously in WA state since 1955 until the family moved to HI in June 1960.
What law? The statute law cannot define who is a natural born citizen. Congress only has power over "naturalization". So the only way to pull that off would be to amend the Constitution to remove the natural born requirement. They would at least have to add ".. or a citizen at birth under the laws of the United States", and then change those laws retroactively, perhaps by making the current law retroactive, which it is not.
She married him on February 2, 1961 in Maui, Hawaii despite some parental opposition to the marriage from both sides. Obama Sr.'s other wife, Kezia, granted her consent for him to marry a second wife, in keeping with tribal custom, though Ann Dunham would not find out that her new husband was already married until later. Dunham was three months pregnant at the time of her marriage. On August 4, 1961, at age 18, she gave birth to her first child, Barack Obama II. Later that month, she visited old friends in Washington state with her new baby.
Mother and son returned to Seattle, where she enrolled in the University of Washington either before or after her husband left Hawaii. Subsequently, Dunham moved back to Hawaii and filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964. Obama Sr. did not contest, and the divorce was granted.
Thanks Nan for your input.
Correct. I always thought that, if we saw a few EV for HRC, that that might be the game.
But as far as we know, none of the electors voted for anyone else this time.
Because someone said that even now, flights from Africa go through the mainland. So I just on a whim checked, and yest they do.
I agreed all those things you listed were significant. But Obama can bring out his own documents experts. I hope more evidence keeps piling up, but it will take overwhelming evidence to ever get the MSM to begin reporting on these apparent cases of deceit on Obama's part.
His fumbling and bumbling with the Blogojevich affair was probably the first chink in the armor for many. It'll take a lot more.
Maybe this is being addressed already - but I am confused about this. (Probably just need to re-read maybe the “long” thread...?). But could it be cleared up whether Ann studied in WA via correspondence, or did she attend classes in person at that time?
And we have folks who are not n00bs at FR who lobe to deceive in protection for this lying piece of sh!t. Just look at the above post trying to misdirect attention to the 1982 way the law was refashioned regarding allowing non-Hawaiian births to receive HI COLB. The poster knows the law read differnetly in 1961 but posts the 1982 reading as a means to obfuscate and try to impugn the poster who the liar responded to! It is a circus, the obamanoids want it to continue to be a circus and work very hard to make it that way. That’s the best they can do for thier fraudulent affirmative action messiah. And they appear to enjoy the game ... yes, game. It is a game to them. They wipe their obamanoid butts with the Constitution and ricidule Freepers to feed their twsited egos. Some of them even have alternate names at Democrat Underground and hurry back and forth to post the results of their deceitful gamesmanship. For an example of that, take a look at the posting history ‘janx’ over at DU. And that’s just one of many. The moderators have the IP addies.
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