Posted on 01/01/2009 9:34:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
A thought experiment: Imagine that Hamas announces it will immediately cease and desist from firing missiles into Israel, that there will be no more such attacks in the future, and that it will release Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier kidnapped two and a half years ago and held incommunicado ever since -- with not even the Red Cross allowed to see him. What would happen then?
Moderate Israelis would pressure their government to make a reciprocal gesture: to stop the air attacks on Hamas' command and control centers, release Palestinian terrorists from Israeli jails and get serious peace talks underway.
But anyone who knows anything about Hamas also knows that such a scenario is implausible. Hamas was created to fight and win holy wars -- not to seek peace and sing "Kumbaya" with infidels. Hamas wants a Palestinian state in place of Israel -- not next door to Israel. And for Hamas, preventing Palestinian carnage is not a priority. That's not a slander; it's a fact. As Hamas parliamentarian Fathi Hamad eloquently phrased it: "We desire death as you desire life."
In 2005, Israelis undertook a real-life experiment: They said "The Palestinians have a grievance: our occupation of Gaza and the West Bank -- even though we administer those territories as the consequence of a war launched to annihilate us. But if our presence provokes violence, let's see what results from our absence."
That summer, Israel pulled every soldier and settler out of Gaza. Every house of worship and cemetery was removed. But greenhouses were left behind.
Palestinians might have responded by using those greenhouses to grow flowers for export. They might have built factories, schools, hospitals and hotels along their Mediterranean beaches. Had that been their choice, moderate Israelis surely would have made further concessions -- for example, uprooting Israelis from the West Bank as well and offering to negotiate a division of Jerusalem.
Instead, of course, Palestinians smashed the greenhouses and put Hamas in charge. Since then, Hamas has done nothing to spark economic development. Nevertheless, it has bemoaned the increasing destitution of unoccupied Gaza -- now blaming it on Israel's "siege" -- and demanding aid, not least from Israel, which has given it, even as the rockets have fallen.
We should understand by now that when Hamas officials vow to fight Israel's "occupation," they are referring to any and all territory on which Israelis now exercise self-determination. Osama Hamdan, Hamas' representative in Lebanon, said: "Our goal is to liberate all of Palestine, from the (Jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea."
Similarly, Hamas official Mahmoud Zahar has said: "We do not recognize the Israeli enemy, nor his right to be our neighbor, nor to stay, nor his ownership of any inch of land."
This is not merely a negotiating posture, on which there can be compromise once diplomats arrange meetings. It is, rather, a religious conviction. Article 11 of the Hamas Charter states unambiguously that "the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf (endowment) consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up."
In Hamas' view, a Muslim may do his duty and wage war for Israel's destruction. Or a Muslim may shirk his duty. There is no third option.
One final thought experiment: Imagine that Hamas someday achieves its goal and wipes Israel off the map. Would that be the end of the global conflict now being waged by militant Islamists?
Or would the Khomeinists of Iran -- Hamas' chief benefactor -- al-Qaida, the Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba and similar groups be energized and encouraged? Having vanquished the "Little Satan," what is the chance they could be sweet-talked out of continuing to battle the "Great Satan" in pursuit of the power and glory they believe is their due?
By contrast, if Israel can deliver a crippling blow to Hamas, the mission of the militant jihadists will appear to have lost divine sanction. As my colleague, historian Michael Ledeen, has noted: "Nothing is more devastating to a messianic movement than defeat."
As Netanyahu once said... “Israel possesses the means but lacks the will. Israel’s enemies possess the will but lack the means. The question is whether they get the means before we get the will.” I may have missed a word or two, but that was pretty much his quote.
the IAF should lay in strikes on the assembled masses that
show up and scramble around whenever there is a major figure hit .
Hit the funeral processions too.
They are already being blamed for everything .
Go for broke
Dude! Such language!
That is the problem. I remember Palistians dancing in the streets after 911. It would have a good place for an air strike.
Hamas wants a ground war. They aren’t getting one. I can imagine all the Hamas fighters unable to sleep. With hair trigger fingers on their anti tank missile launchers. Ready to die for fake god allah and kill IDF boys....
Isn’t going to be happening
Israel has spent many months mapping Gaza targets by air and getting target intel from informants. Gaza will just be hit by air
MOCKING NIZAR RAYAN - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X22xfTW4UAw
Soon, Gaza will be under Israeli control, where it belongs. There is no way the Israel will wait for mister lip service, Obozo, to take office.
Sorry. I got carryed away.
we should GIVE Israel all our old B-52’s
They would only need one or two. But don't look for that to happen anytime soon.
maybe sometime in the next 2 weeks.....
B-52 attrition reserve aircraft
Bttt.
I doubt it. Keep your powder dry and your attitude positive.
B-52 Attrition Reserve
1 recipient will receive $19,976,000. This is a continuing earmark.
Year Enacted: 2005
Description: Funds required for the Air Force to maintain a total force of 93 B-52H aircraft, including 17 excess attrition reserve aircraft during fiscal year 2005.
save U.S. taxpayers some $ ...sell some to Israel
B-52s Going Into Storage
August 1, 2008: The first of 18 U.S. Air Force B-52H bombers has been retired. All 18 will have been decommissioned and put into storage by next Spring. That will leave 76 still active. The retired B-52Hs have been in service 47 years. These aircraft could continue for another decade or more, but it was decided (between Congress and the air force) that the money saved from not maintaining such elderly aircraft could be better used elsewhere.
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