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Gaza: A Matter of Proportion
Pajamas Media ^ | January 1 | Michel Gurfinkiel

Posted on 01/01/2009 11:08:49 AM PST by AJKauf

A “disproportionate reaction.” This is how Nicolas Sarkozy, the president of France, characterized — on the very first day of the war — Israel’s operations against Hamas, the terrorist brotherhood that rules Gaza. Many French citizens will return the compliment. What may be truly “disproportionate” is to pass judgment on the Hebrew state for fulfilling its primary duty as a state: to protect the safety of its land and its people.

Is Gaza under Israeli occupation? No. The Israelis withdrew from the enclave to a man in 2005. Is Hamas a legitimate ruler in Gaza? No way. It seized power there in 2007, as the result of a civil war against the Palestinian Authority. Has Hamas engaged in systematic aggression against Israel ever since then? Yes.

Why is Sarkozy, a man known for his pro-Israel sympathies, taking such a negative line? ...

(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; islam; israel; jihad

1 posted on 01/01/2009 11:08:50 AM PST by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

Sarkozy’s Top Half of His head, it “disporportionate” from his lower half......like a cartoon.

Israel has every Right to Crush Hamas murderers....
and the Palestinians better get out of the way.


2 posted on 01/01/2009 11:12:18 AM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: AJKauf

A “disproportionate reaction” is what liberated France from the Nazis 1944. How quickly they forget.


3 posted on 01/01/2009 11:13:07 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: AJKauf

God will measure the appropriateness of the proportions.


4 posted on 01/01/2009 11:13:59 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: AJKauf
Sarkozy might well have been sarcastic.

He knows Hamas has tossed 3,000 or so missiles toward Israeli citizens. A "proportionate" response might be 3,000 missiles back at them ~ not just the few hundred bombs they've dropped.

Hey, the Israelis could nail'em with a single nuke, and that'd be really "disproportionate".

5 posted on 01/01/2009 11:15:24 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: AJKauf
I'm all for a proportionate response. Hamas' stated goal is the total destruction of Israel.

Israel's goal should be the total destruction of Hamas.

6 posted on 01/01/2009 11:15:49 AM PST by Washi
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To: AJKauf

Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.

Seriouly you go to war to do the above. To take away their will/ability to fight and if that fails you destroy them all, before they destroy you.


7 posted on 01/01/2009 11:24:10 AM PST by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: AJKauf
A “disproportionate reaction.” This is how Nicolas Sarkozy, ... characterized ... Israel’s operations against Hamas, ...

Sarkozy is dead wrong. Proportionate, in this case, is whatever it takes to stop the attacks, and to keep them stopped. Unfortunately, though they will do a lot of damage, Israel will not take it to that level.

8 posted on 01/01/2009 11:27:23 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: muawiyah

Hey, the Israelis could nail’em with a single nuke, and that’d be really “disproportionate”.


don´t you think that the average israeli citizen might have something against dropping a nuke on their selfs? ;-)


9 posted on 01/01/2009 11:32:21 AM PST by austrian
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To: austrian

No doubt they’d have to relocate for this to happen, but we are discussing the use of the words “proportionate” and “disproportionate”.


10 posted on 01/01/2009 11:36:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
He knows Hamas has tossed 3,000 or so missiles toward Israeli citizens. A "proportionate" response might be 3,000 missiles back at them ~ not just the few hundred bombs they've dropped.

You nailed it! The above statement needs to be sent to all the media clamoring about "disproportionate" response.

11 posted on 01/01/2009 12:04:09 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, he-he, ho-ho!)
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To: AJKauf
A “disproportionate reaction.” <<<

Yup!....thru the ages, that's the tried and true method to win a war....Over power your enemy...

Surely the “French surrender monkeys” understand that concept

12 posted on 01/01/2009 12:12:30 PM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: LtKerst

Kozy and france like most of Europe gets a load of its fuel form the Mid-east and the french being the french feel a need to butt kiss as well.


13 posted on 01/01/2009 12:13:54 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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"Disproportionate force" is how one side wins a war. "Proportionate force" ensures that the war will go on forever.

When a "cease fire" is declared before a winner is declared, the political reasons for the war still haven't been addressed. Perfect examples include Korea and the Middle-East. In the latter, every time Israel was on the verge of crushing their opponents, the UN stepped in and Israel acquiesced, allowing her enemies to continue to make war in the future. Only when there was a crushing defeat (as seen by the Egyptian army in 1973, which would have been completely destroyed had not Israel agreed to let them live) is peace a possibility.

Mark

14 posted on 01/01/2009 12:14:56 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: AJKauf
I expect a lot of European leaders to wag their fingers at Israel. They're scared of the islammunists in their midst.

They'll all pony up some big bucks when Israel hands Gaza off to Fatah, and a peace treaty is signed.

15 posted on 01/01/2009 12:18:56 PM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: AJKauf

Reasoned argument is not exactly a strong suit of the left.


16 posted on 01/01/2009 12:49:34 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Cincinna; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

I’m sure Sarko’s recent reaction has *nothing* to do with A) presence of French “peacekeepers” (enablers) in Lebanon or B) thousands of incinerated French autos.

Is Israel Using ‘Disproportionate Force’
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1208/disproportionate_dore.php3 | Dore Gold
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17 posted on 01/01/2009 4:48:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: AJKauf

dont’ worry, it’s just Sarkie pandering to frances’ disproportionate population of mujahadeens again.


18 posted on 01/01/2009 8:52:39 PM PST by blueplum
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To: AJKauf

Considering that the French allowed Arab “youth” to riot and burn their way across France not long ago, it isn’t surprising they would see self-defense as a “disproportionate” response to naked aggression.

I’m a little surprised that Sarkozy would say this, but then he is still French, even if he is something of a conservative (or what passes for one in France).


19 posted on 01/06/2009 2:43:26 PM PST by PsyOp (Put government in charge of tire pressure, and we'll soon have a shortage of air. - PsyOp.)
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