Posted on 12/30/2008 10:45:23 PM PST by Salvation
Enough of this political double talk. The message to CINOs in Congress MUST be: “You fote for FOCA, you are excommunicated.” PERIOD!
No case by case study, no evaluation, no penumbras.
How do you know this? Is there a list available somewhere?
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What example of Becket should they consider?
The saddest thing about the election this year is that it seems to me that the constituents no longer really care about this issue, or if they are pro-life that it is not an very imortant issue.
As for them being Dems, while they may not say it from the GOPs platform, there are a great many Republicans who consider this issue to be an annoyance to them. They don’t really care about it and they don’t want to waste political capital fighting against it.
They should go on Cardinal George’s list, as well.
The saddest thing about the election this year is that it seems to me that the constituents no longer really care about this issue, or if they are pro-life that it is not an very imortant issue.
As for them being Dems, while they may not say it from the GOPs platform, there are a great many Republicans who consider this issue to be an annoyance to them. They don’t really care about it and they don’t want to waste political capital fighting against it.
They should go on Cardinal George’s list, as well.
Beckett opposed the king and was murdered for his fidelity.
I believe today is his feast day.
More of a power struggle than anything else I think.
bump!
“It appears exemption from civil law was a great incentive to be a “clergyman” in name only.”
“More of a power struggle than anything else I think.”
There is a lot of very dense “legal” material available on this subject, and certainly a good many Catholics with time, energy and pointier heards than mine to take up the cause for Becket on these issues.
I’m not certain what your agenda may be, but I won’t go that road with you. Becket certainly put himself in harms way for his beliefs.
Certainly a good model for Catholic bishops, and the depths to which pro-life Christians should go for their cause, which I think is more to the point of the original post about Becket.
Well, they can’t say they weren’t warned. And while the may excommunicate themselves, formal writs are going to be necessary, even if they’ll be used as a badge of honor.
Much of the information about the two men came from William of Newburgh’s History of England, written a few years after Becket’s death. Not really clear about friendship such as portrayed in movie “Becket”.
I also could have gotten it mixed up with Thomas More?
Public excommunications and formal damnations of their souls to perdition might change a few minds........
And the one I like best: Bishops listed by state
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Amen!
I’m reminded that Becket would not honor unholy men with “holy orders.”
The bishops can follow that example by making sure that Catholic individuals who enable FOCA to move through Congress from Pelosi on down are:
A. Not honored by any Catholic institution period or
allowed to speak at a Catholic function period
B. Denied Communion
C. Excommunicated if they do not repent of their support
of FOCA.
Bishops may not get killed for doing it, but you know the MSM will be riled jup against them and the church.
This may inspire some anti Proposition 8 type of hatred in the streets with attacks on churches or bishops.
I’m not a churchman or expert but I know more about politics.
Voting in Congress is tricky and we must look at votes that move legislation as well as amendments to legislation that get voted on.
Some Catholic members may claim voting for an amendment absolves them when the votes that move the legislation forward should count against them most.
A pastoral letter read in all churches and published online
and in print should announce these actions against them.
No one should be able to claim they didn’t know if a Catholic institution decided to honor a member of Congress or allow them to speak.
Over the last few years, I've changed my mind. Pelosi is more or less responsible for the change of heart. She has used her position to misinform and lead Catholics away from our faith. This is different and new, from pols like Kennedy and Kerry, who may hold themselves out to be Catholic, but most followers are not fooled by the way they live their lives ~ or vote their polluted consciouses. Nancy Pelosi attempts to paint herself as a daily Mass attendee and practicing Catholic, who claims that many Church teachings have some “wiggle room” in them, despite being met head on by many in the Magesterium.
I think we need to cut the chafe from the grain.
Your steps seem rather practical to me.
To this I might add make sure that these people are buried outside the good graces of our Church.
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