Posted on 12/25/2008 4:34:30 PM PST by obamaisandrogynous
Barack Obama plans to take his oath of office, as president of the United States, on a Holy Bible, once owned by Abraham Lincoln. Many leftist reporters have enthused over the symbolism. They truly think there is some mystical connection between the Hawaii-born, half-Kenyan, Harvard-educated street agitator, and the Kentucky-born, self-educated, great emancipator, and savior of the Union, Lincoln.
Many conservative commentators criticize these comparisons of Lincoln and Obama, rightly, it is true, by pointing out that, aside from being elected to ever higher political office, Obama really “hasn’t done anything" for America. Clearly, Barry hasn’t freed an entire people left in bondage, or managed a cross-continental war, successfully.
That’s completely true — but it misses a greater point.
Obama admires Marxism and socialism. He has stated this in his own book, Dreams from My Father. By comparing himself to Lincoln, Obama is continuing to develop his Marxist personal narrative, and, he hopes, a Marxist cultural narrative for the U.S. The Lincoln Obama compares himself to is not the Lincoln normal Americans revere as a great president.
Back in the 1930s, American communists allied with former political rivals from the American center-left and created a coalition called the Popular Front. The alliance was formed to oppose fascism — i.e. Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party, which was menacing the world.
During this time, the Communist Party of the U.S.A. proudly, if quite inaccurately, proclaimed that “Communism is 20th Century Americanism.” The communists also cast themselves as the rightful heirs of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
Obama was an avid reader and consumer of communist and socialist propaganda.
So Obama, by publicly embracing Lincoln, is actually not identifying with the president who saved the union from revolution. He is identifying with the 1930s, cardboard cut-out communist caricature of our 16th president.
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And yet that Supreme Court Chief Justice was never arrested and remained on the bench until he died. What happened?
...and on and on.
Yes, there is no end to the Southron myths, is there?
Quotes please.
“Yes he did.”
If he had authority over the Confederacy then his Emancipation Proclamation would have freed the slaves. It freed no one, and you know it. You can cover your ears and chant “lalalalalalalalalala” all you want, but the fact remains the Confederate States of America was a separate and sovereign nation for the four years it existed. The only influence Lincoln had over it was at the point of a gun.
“And yet that Supreme Court Chief Justice was never arrested and remained on the bench until he died. What happened?”
Because they guy charged with effecting the arrest refused to carry it out.
“Yes, there is no end to the Southron myths, is there?”
And what myths would those be? And, by the way: What hell is this “Southron” shit? Can’t you spell?
The arrest of the Maryland legislature before they could vote on secession - the vote was held on April 29th and secession was defeated 53 to 13. The claim he ordered the arrest of Chief Justice Taney. The 'oppressive tariff' stuff being the reason for the rebellion. That'll do for a start.
And, by the way: What hell is this “Southron” shit?
I can spell. Have you no understanding of your heritage? From American Heritage Dictionary:
Southron
Noun
2. A native or inhabitant of the American South. Used by the Confederates in the Civil War.
It did.
It freed no one, and you know it.
What it meant was that slaves could flee their masters and not have to worry about being returned if caught, as the Fugitive Slave Laws required. And hundreds of thousands of Southern slaves took advantage of it.
You can cover your ears and chant “lalalalalalalalalala” all you want, but the fact remains the Confederate States of America was a separate and sovereign nation for the four years it existed.
No other country at the time agreed with you. In their eyes the confederacy was a rebellious part of the U.S. No more, and no less.
Then I'll bet he was immediately locked up as one of those thousands of political prisoners you all claim Lincoln had. I wonder why Lincoln didn't get his replacement to throw Chaney into the slammer? If Lincoln was so big on arresting him and all?
“No other country at the time agreed with you. In their eyes the confederacy was a rebellious part of the U.S. No more, and no less.”
Britain didn’t think so. It understandably took a wait-and-see attitude, to see which side was going to win. It did not want to piss off either side. Funny, Britain continued trade with the Confederacy even after its shipping was interdicted by Yankee naval elements. One would think that Britain would refrain from trade with the Confederacy if it thought it didn’t exist.
As for Lincoln ordering Chief Justice Taney’s arrest, just Google that; it’s all over the place. Your abject refusal to accept any bad press for your god Abe Lincoln speaks volumes about your stubbornness and ignorance.
Not-shit, I mean non-sequitur, we will never agree on this topic, and, quite franly, I am growing tired of of your sophomoric attempts to elevate the impossible (i.e., that Lincoln sits at the left hand of God).
Yes, interesting.
Considering that Britain never accorded the confederacy any form of diplomatic recognition it's hard to understand how you came to that conclusion.
Funny, Britain continued trade with the Confederacy even after its shipping was interdicted by Yankee naval elements.
And if Britain believed the confederacy to be a sovereign nation then don't you think they would have protested the seizure of ships belonging to their citizens by the U.S. Navy?
As for Lincoln ordering Chief Justice Taney’s arrest, just Google that; it’s all over the place. Your abject refusal to accept any bad press for your god Abe Lincoln speaks volumes about your stubbornness and ignorance.
That story has been around for years and has been discredited time and again. My objection to your tale is not because it's against Lincoln but to the total lack of evidence to support the claim. There is a single source, not from the person who supposedly makes the claim. There is nothing to support it - no documentation, no witnesses, no arrest, nothing. But you swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
Not-shit, I mean non-sequitur, we will never agree on this topic, and, quite franly, I am growing tired of of your sophomoric attempts to elevate the impossible (i.e., that Lincoln sits at the left hand of God).
But when cornered and asked to support your asinine claims you go for name calling and attempts at insult, in true Southron fashion. I suppose I should respond in kind, something like asking if ought-six is your screen name or your IQ?
“I wonder why Lincoln didn’t get his replacement to throw Chaney into the slammer?”
Who is Chaney?
Re: The Taney arrest warrant.
Marshal Laman commented on it, and he was the one to whom Lincoln gave the warrant to affect the arrest. But, you routinely and steadfastly reject as out-of-hand any facts that make your messiah not look so good. I feel sorry for you and the sad life you must live.
Taney, sorry.
Who's Laman?
...and he was the one to whom Lincoln gave the warrant to affect the arrest. But, you routinely and steadfastly reject as out-of-hand any facts that make your messiah not look so good.
I don't reject any facts. I routinely and steadfastly reject Southron myth, which this falls into. The only evidence supporting your claim is a paragraph in Ward Lamon's biography. The problem with that is that Lamon's biography was ghost written by Chauncey Black so there is no way of knowing who related the story. Lamon is not a credible witness in matters where he was involved - his account of his actions relating to Sumter have been described by contemporary historians as to be so wildly exaggerated as to be worthless. There is nothing else that substantiates the story - no paper trail, none of the other people who were supposed to have been involved have left any accounts, none of Taney's biographies have ever included it, and there are no other reported instances where Lamon was given an order and flat refused to do it. The whole matter is a fraud. As anyone who has investigated it would know.
I feel sorry for you and the sad life you must live.
Don't be. I'm a happy guy. Poking holes in Southron fairy tales is a hobby that gives me a great deal of amusement.
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