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New World post-pandemic reforestation helped start Little Ice Age, say Stanford scientists
www.physorg.com ^ | 12-18-2008 | Source: Stanford University

Posted on 12/18/2008 8:57:54 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: sima_yi
The cooling temperatures doomed the Norse-speaking Greenlanders. They were probably extinct before 1500 (the last contact with them was somewhat before then), so "the Little Ice Age" must have started well before 1500.

A date of ca. 1270-1300 sounds right--clearly caused by the Sicilian Vespers (1282), the revolt against the rule of Charles of Anjou. Charles was a white man (younger brother of St. Louis IX), so the evil white man is still to blame.

41 posted on 12/18/2008 10:32:48 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Nathan Zachary

I can do better than that. The first Ice Age is tied directly to the evolving of the first white tribe from the other ethnic tribes that existed then. This white tribe cut down trees for heat and cooking and this made the earth too warm, and then when they didn’t have to burn trees anymore for warmth and could cook their food off of hot rocks heated by the sun, the trees all grew back and caused the first known Ice Age, all attributable to the first white tribe. Neat huh?(Don’t bother to ask me why there wasn’t an Ice Age before the white tribe cut down the trees for fire wood, logic is no good here)


42 posted on 12/18/2008 10:41:42 AM PST by calex59
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To: Nathan Zachary
Not so sure about “causes” global warming.
“Always” is one of those slippry-slope fatal flaw absolutes I “never” use when talking science. lol

I'll give you the impact/effect of clouds forming after and above a surface that is heated/warmed PRIOR to the formation of said clouds. This is not a “cause” of warming anymore than insulating a house causes warming or cooling. Heating and cooling have to come from somewhere—that is, they are a result, not a cause in and of themselves. Unless those clouds are so moisture laden as to generate that heat at such a rate as to create a surplus (moisture-laden air being more dense/heavier and able to hold more heat than drier/less dense air) necessary to perpetuate the cycle there is no cycle, no heating, no cooling, no clouds, nothing. Wobbling axial tilt, ecliptics, the Earth as a heat sink—periods of coolest and warmest temps lag weeks behind the respective solstices—and a zillion other factors are in play.

Ebb and flow. A flat line has no life.

Point being that the Earth will regulate itself as it always has done. Mass extinctions, “nuclear winters,” the effects of super-volcano eruptions, forest fires . . . herds of bison, elk, deer, vs herds of cattle belching away. . . . Yawns and sneezes at worst.

We heat the place up enough the Earth will sweat itself cool again. It gets too hot, it will again do what it needs to do to maintain homeostasis. None of this was intended to last forever. Big bang, single strand, whatever works for each of us. Doesn't matter in the end. Some run with “God made it and God said he'll destroy it, and He will”; others see the inherent flaws and cracks in the system's design and use science to map the self-destruct mechanisms in play courtesy of simple laws of physics. Still others believe in neither and delude themselves and each other into believing they can “so order the universe.” What were those laws pertaining to matter and energy? Something about created or destroyed? Or was it transferred?

God invented the Havens and the Earth and all the rest, and then He gave us just enough knowledge of physics so we could see but not understand the way it works. He has a sense of humor.

43 posted on 12/18/2008 10:51:53 AM PST by shoutingandpointing
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To: Red Badger

As far as I know this is a novel theory since it relies on manmade activity at a time when there were very few people to account for a significant change; worldwide population in 1600 was maybe 70-75 million while in the Americas there were maybe 5 million since no census was ever done of native Americans.

The real point of this report is likely to be to establish a direct correlation to changes in CO2 content and climate, which is rather like untying one’s shoes to learn how to tie them again.


44 posted on 12/18/2008 10:58:33 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Deconstructive climatology.........the new way to predict Global war...,,,,,er, uh... Climate Change...8^)


45 posted on 12/18/2008 11:01:33 AM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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To: Red Badger; Old Professer; Black Agnes
Take a look at the non-European induced pandemics:

Historical Review: Megadrought And Megadeath In 16th Century Mexico (Hemorrhagic Fever)

"The epidemic of cocoliztli from 1545 to 1548 killed an estimated 5 million to 15 million people, or up to 80% of the native population of Mexico (Figure 1). In absolute and relative terms the 1545 epidemic was one of the worst demographic catastrophes in human history, approaching even the Black Death of bubonic plague, which killed approximately 25 million in western Europe from 1347 to 1351 or about 50% of the regional population.

"The cocoliztli epidemic from 1576 to 1578 cocoliztli epidemic killed an additional 2 to 2.5 million people, or about 50% of the remaining native population. Newly introduced European and African diseases such as smallpox, measles, and typhus have long been the suspected cause of the population collapse in both 1545 and 1576 because both epidemics preferentially killed native people. But careful reanalysis of the 1545 and 1576 epidemics now indicates that they were probably hemorrhagic fevers, likely caused by an indigenous virus and carried by a rodent host."

(You've probaly never seen or heard of this study because it doesn't blame the evil White people.)

46 posted on 12/18/2008 11:12:16 AM PST by blam
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Good point


47 posted on 12/18/2008 4:04:04 PM PST by redangus
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48 posted on 12/18/2008 4:25:53 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Red Badger

thanks, bfl


49 posted on 12/18/2008 6:23:18 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: rfp1234
Do you like it? Try reading this article and look at that last sentence...

Cheers!

50 posted on 12/19/2008 4:29:55 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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51 posted on 12/19/2008 4:57:28 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: Red Badger
I hate to say it, but the global warming "scientists" have so ruined the credibility of all science that I'm starting to discount all of them...

Kind of what happened with the press when they went from believable to "obvious one-sided" shills...

52 posted on 12/19/2008 7:39:22 AM PST by GOPJ (Gun Control-:- like trying to control stray dogs by neutering veterinarians.- G. Jonas)
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To: metesky

*throws another log on the fire*


53 posted on 12/19/2008 7:43:29 AM PST by EternalVigilance (We are partisans only of what is right: America's Independent Party, www.AIPNEWS.com)
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55 posted on 12/21/2008 12:04:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: blam
It could have very well been this epidemic that also wiped out the Mississippian culture that predominated most of the Southeast and Midwest United States (rather than European diseases).

From Wikipedia:

Although some areas continued an essentially Middle Mississippian culture until the first significant contact with Europeans, most areas had dispersed or were experiencing severe social stress by 1500. Along with the contemporary Anasazi, these cultural collapses coincide with the global climate change of the Little Ice Age.

So, it's a chicken or egg guess. Which came first? Perhaps cocoliztli was spread by rodents infesting these people BECAUSE of global cooling, when the natural food supply the rats relied on whithered up? This same disease (or the rodent carriers) spread Southward, reaching Mexico by 1545.

56 posted on 12/21/2008 2:14:23 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
"It could have very well been this epidemic that also wiped out the Mississippian culture that predominated most of the Southeast and Midwest United States (rather than European diseases)."

Yup. There's no reason why the Americas couldn't have had their own sort of 'Black Deaths.'

57 posted on 12/21/2008 2:31:24 PM PST by blam
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To: Red Badger

For so many years the “Hockey Stick” model of global temperature ignored the Little Ice Age. Now we can blame the cooling we previously ignored on mankind as well.


58 posted on 12/21/2008 2:51:23 PM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: null and void

Wouldn’t it be easier to just make a list of things that *don’t* cause ‘global warming’?

I’ll start.

Salamanders.
Earthworms.
Crickets.

Your turn....:)


59 posted on 12/21/2008 5:02:52 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: Salamander

Earthworms are the worst!

They burrow through the soil and bring safely buried carbon filled organics to the surface where they decompose and make dihydrogen carbonate!!!


60 posted on 12/21/2008 5:10:02 PM PST by null and void (Hindsight is 2020, foresight is 2012)
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