Posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:24 AM PST by cycle of discernment
too bad
Quite the contrary.You can't say that a document is genuine from an online image, which is what they were trying to portray in the article. You can show however that it is not genuine from an online image, by pointing out obvious manipulations with the pixels.
The easiest way to clear up any questions is to produce that actual vault certificate with the signatures on it. To date he has not been done.
Here is the link. I am pretty sure I know those three independent news sources. If you check, they are all quoting the same source. They may be independent news sources, but they are all quoting the same thing - so it is not independent verification
I’ve thought that if Obama was his father, he’d be darker than he is! He looks nothing like Obama, so I’m relatively certain he’s not his father. Might be Davis, but I doubt it’s X.
That’s logical. And since this problem never arose before, it wasn’t anticipated. Those who were close to 0 helped conceal info also.
You can tell the Obots are squirming.
They’re out full force on this and other bc threads.
They should know they won’t change any minds or do any damage here.
An EXCELLENT article regarding the different types of births. It seems by this law article regarding citizenship, Denofrio wasn’t far off base with his claim. According this in depth article studying congressional cases and SCOTUS rulings, a “natural born citizen” is one who is born “not subject to any foreign power” which Barack Obama was. When he forfeited his Kenyan citizenship, he became NATURALIZED. Also a description of the SCOTUS deliberately overriding this issue on another case.
AND
In 1898, some thirty years after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, the United States argued a Chinese man born to Chinese parents in San Francisco could not be a citizen of the United States because his parents were not subjects of the United States at the time of his birth, but the subjects of the emperor of China. (U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark)
The Government had it right and the Supreme Court got it all wrong (deliberately) by deciding the language under old English common law, something the adopted national rule departed sharply from. Additionally, Howard made no reference to citizenship as having anything to do with common law, but virtue of “natural law” and “national law.”
Overwhelming evidence against the interpretation of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” or “not subject to any foreign power” as reaffirming the common law doctrine of citizenship by birth to aliens can be found following the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment. In 1867 George Helm Yeaman, United States Minister to Denmark, in his well received treatise on allegiance and citizenship, which was presented to Secretary of State William H. Seward, said: “But the idea of a double allegiance and citizenship united in the same person, and having reference to two separate, independent, and sovereign nations or governments, is simply an impossibility.”
Check out this:
Framer of the Fourteenth Amendments first section, John Bingham, said Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes meant “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” If this statute merely reaffirmed the old common law rule of citizenship by birth then the condition of the parents would be entirely irrelevant.
I think it's that some people find the never-ending frustration too emotionally taxing. Eventually, they find a way of telling themselves that they need to "let it go" and move on. In a sense, you and I could do that, but we'd have to view what Obama *may* have done (after all, we don't know what the facts are, right?) as perhaps a battle we have actually lost and focus on the larger WAR itself. You and I may go that route too at some point. I think folks may feel insecure in that decision and thus lash out at others because they made their decision for the sole purpose of reducing their stress. When you and I and others continue to talk about it, they lose the benefit entirely of having admitted "defeat" in this one battle. They resent us and hate us, in a way, because we are "spoiling" their "peace."
“”onothing can be challenged in other ways and it’s not going to go away or die .this is just a minor setback.cheer up””
Oh, please do elaborate on this - how so??
thanks for that link, very wordy but inconclusive...
They can all cry me a river.
“”I think it will not go away and in fact may become larger since he did fight so hard to avoid producing it. It will not go away.””
How do you figure?
“”Note to the SCOTUS: You’d’ve done this nation a service by airing this out.””
Are you serious? They’’ve done no service, but I guess you’re kidding by saying that - yes? I’m a little slow tonight on the uptake :-)))
Does Cort’s case take in the birth certificate issue? I hope its not just a regurgitation of Leo’s failed case.
OTOH all SOS should verify what they are given, to illuminate fraud.
Dig around http://naturalborncitizen.com for emerging details.
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
There is nothing in the current law that says how long after the birth the application has to be made.
Sorry I'm on dial up and it takes forever for my computer to download and print/read the information. Eternalvigilance should know.
good observation. maybe the application was made in June 2007, and that's why the date-stamp that bled through from the back of the fightthesmears Certification of Live Birth says 6 June 2007.
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