Posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:24 AM PST by cycle of discernment
too bad
My question is why Obama refuses to release his actual birth certificate. So far the only Obama apologists to attempt to answer the question have tried to claim that it's some kind of plot by Obama to discredit his critics.
What's your answer?
Equity was originally understood as an extraordinary means of offering relief to individuals in cases of fraud, accident, mistake, or trust and as a means of "confining the operation of unjust and partial laws." It has now been stretched to offer relief to broadly defined social classes.As it says in the Constition:
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, ... to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States ...
And what is the fraud? Why...
Section 53. Actual FraudWhile it is not clear what the actual facts of Obama's birth are at this point, one thing seems clear, imo -- he acted with deceit. Politics allows a wide latitude in "just political talk" as Obama calls it. Did Obama's deceit go out of bounds of the wide field of political speech? There's the question!A complete definition of actual fraud is impossible. The ingenuity of man in devising methods of obtaining an unfair advantage over his fellow man is so resourceful and varied as to defeat any attempt to cover the whole field by a single definition. In general, in every case of actual fraud, there must be present those elements required in the tort action for deceit.
-- Albert H. Putney, 1908, Popular Law Library Vol 7 Equity Jurisprudence, Trusts, Equity Pleading
Remember the thread yesterday???
For all intents and purposes, the ball is now in our court...Pardon the pun...
Think of it this way...It may be a better challenge, and more character building to battle Obama and his minions over the next 4 years by letting this issue go, even though I would love to see him toosed because of this issue, but I believe consentrating on this is distracting us from other issues that may be more damaging to us than someone who has broken this particular condition (qualification)...
If there are more challenges to this issue, then I hope they fare better...
The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html
The computer-generated Certification of Live Birth is used by the state of Hawaii IN LIEU OF the Certificate of Live Birth, or if originally filed, a Delayed Certificate of Birth, or even a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. For verification purposes, however, the Certification of Live Birth does not indicate which birth record root document(s) that the Certification is based upon.
For verification purposes, however, the Certification of Live Birth does not indicate which birth record root document(s) that the Certification is based upon.
The Certification of Live Birth is the JPEG posted by DailyKos and the Obama people.
The Certificate of Live Birth, sometimes called the long form, or vault copy birth certificate shows details such as the hospital, doctor or midwifes names, witness signatures, etc.
More here...
http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=458505&articleId=1979623&func=5&channel=News
I agree and thank you for the list in your comment.
You have a good point there, but I'd like to at least bring it to his attention somehow that he is in fact completely illegitimate as not only human but as president also.
I agree with you fully on the absolute nightmare that an Obama presidency will be. But I just want to make sure that all of us are looking at all the facts and independently confirming statements that are made here.
I would love to see O kicked out while he’s still almost the first almost-black president, but I want to make sure that we have the facts and we aren’t hanging our hat on wishes and dreams.
That said, though I don’t think this holds water, I’m still looking into it and happy to read all info that I can.
Someone posted that there are two sides to this. I beg to differ; we all oppose Obama. In that, we are all on the same side.
How does any of that have anything to do with what the Constitution requires?
That said, it’s no surprise the Court did not grant review. However, that says nothing about the merits of the question.
Which college? Do you KNOW them, or know OF them?
If no state requires proof of eligibility, why & how can any suit be brought? Why bother? I don’t think Iv’e heard this before. Do you have anything more on this, maybe a link?
Well said.
I have seen this. If you note, the law registers “a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii”.
Thanks, I have been researching this—I think I see “vault copy” in my sleep!
I know them. Columbia.
Over this silly case?
We didn't even riot over Roe v. Wade.
If they can get away with allowing the killing of defenseless babies,
this is just small change, even if true.
No link, but obviously no state demanded a BC before putting him on the ballot. Otherwise, this matter would have been resolved long ago.
Also, I believe that at one time airlines would not accept women passengers after a certain month of their pregnancy
Thanks for the update, LucyT
Post #723..Interesting..
Post #732..Go Leo, an American hero....fighting for the truth and the Constitution.
Ping
My argument is that the various Secretaries of State have not performed their prescribed duty. While it is proper that John McCain produced his valid COLB for examination, the fact remains that he is a citizen of the United States by way of statute, but not by way of birth on U.S. soil; therefore, he is not “natural born,” as required by the Constitution. He was and is ineligible to run for POTUS. The several SOS’s should have refused his application. I do not come to this conclusion in jest. I voted for the man, but did so in ignorance of this issue.
I do not contend Senator McCain willfully committed fraud, only that the Constitution, as written, was not followed.
The preset legal storm raging against president-elect Barak Obama is a different matter. He is likely, and willfully, perpetrating a gross fraud, and getting a pass from the courts, at our expense. The fact that he has expended so much money and effort to prevent examination of what should be innocuous documentation is sufficient to strongly suspect him culpable in the alleged offense(s).
Considering the gravity of the matter, there exists no legitimate reason that Mr. Obama should act so secretive. Even if full disclosure were to reveal some family scandal, such personal embarrassment does not trump the imperative constitutional issue at stake. More prudentially, if he is this mysterious about something relatively trivial, then what may we expect of him in matters of sober consequence, such as those that may determine war or peace?
People are working very hard to dismiss this issue as another “conspiracy” theory, supported only by those on the “fringe” of rational thought. That is disingenuous hype from intellectually dishonest cowards, who perhaps greatly fear what results a truthful vetting might reveal, not only about Barak H. Obama, but also about their own lack of prudence in respect to preserving this republic and its Constitution. They have a dog in the race, whether they choose to admit so or not… it is their own reputations.
If Obama is a natural born citizen of these United States, and thus the legitimately elected President, then so be it. I accept that outcome. However, I must know that his merit to serve is founded upon truth and the supreme law of our nation; that his prize was not awarded through deceit. Until such supporting facts are presented in a clear unbiased public forum, without interference or subterfuge, there is justifiable doubt to his right to assume and hold the office of the Presidency.
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