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Report Debunks Theory That the U.S. Heard a Coded Warning About Pearl Harbor
nytimes.com ^ | December 6, 2008 | SAM ROBERTS

Posted on 12/06/2008 5:56:23 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

It has remained one of World War II’s most enduring mysteries, one that resonated decades later in the aftermath of Sept. 11: Who in Washington knew what and when before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941?

Specifically, who heard or saw a transcript of a Tokyo shortwave radio news broadcast that was interrupted by a prearranged coded weather report? The weather bulletin signaled Japanese diplomats around the world to destroy confidential documents and codes because war with the United States, the Soviet Union or Britain was beginning.

In testimony for government inquiries, witnesses said that the “winds execute” message was intercepted as early as Dec. 4, three days before the attack.

But after analyzing American and foreign intelligence sources and decrypted cables, historians for the National Security Agency concluded in a documentary history released last week that whatever other warnings reached Washington about the attack, the “winds execute” message was not one of them.

A Japanese message intercepted and decoded on Nov. 19, 1941, at an American monitoring station on Bainbridge Island, Wash., appeared to lay out the “winds execute” situation. If diplomatic relations were “in danger” with one of three countries, a coded phrase would be repeated as a special weather bulletin twice in the middle and twice at the end of the daily Japanese-language news broadcast.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: anniversary; conspiracytheory; pearlharbor; wwii
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1 posted on 12/06/2008 5:56:23 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Roosevelt’s fault!!!

(Sorry, always wanted to say that, hehehe.)


2 posted on 12/06/2008 5:59:00 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I heard Obamas birth certificate was destroyed that infamous morning

I know he was not born yet but it was

3 posted on 12/06/2008 6:03:49 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom IF DA BIRTH PLACE IS A LIE, BEING DA PRESIDENT AIN'T GONNA FLY!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Was Bainbridge Island really a part of America back then? Come on.


4 posted on 12/06/2008 6:04:39 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Free ThinkerNY

60 years from now, my grandkids will be reading about how 9-11 wasn’t an “inside job” pulled off by Bush and Cheney and that the whole conspiracy thing was just something about a bunch of potheads came up with in their spare time.


5 posted on 12/06/2008 6:05:49 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: nkycincinnatikid
Was Bainbridge Island really a part of America back then? Come on.

Is Bainbridge Island really a part of America today? Come on.

6 posted on 12/06/2008 6:10:18 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well, even if Frankie The Limper did in fact know that PH was going to be attacked it’s a good thing he didn’t say anything. If the US Navy had manned up all those ships and steamed out to meet the Japanese they would have lost all those battleships and most of the crews permanently at the bottom of the Pacific rather then in 50 feet of water at PH. They would have been sitting ducks for Japanese Naval Air.


7 posted on 12/06/2008 6:12:19 PM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand. If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
Hey, Jamie Gorelick heard it... but the bitch kept her mouth shut!
8 posted on 12/06/2008 6:18:45 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I remember hearing this book discussed on talk radio years ago, but I haven’t read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Deceit

Prior to 9/11, many of us had a healthy sense of skepticism about government and its motivations. For a number of reasons, I expect that this skepticism will return soon.

Regardless, none of this takes away from the bravery, commitment and patriotism of our WWII troops.


9 posted on 12/06/2008 6:22:12 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: Bender2

LOL, Truther Word.


10 posted on 12/06/2008 6:22:52 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Of course this is true. The NY Slimes said it was./s

Never mind about the McCallum memo on how to force Japan into a war.

Never mind that there were four Magic machines in existence - Washington, McArthur’s HQ, OSS HQ in Honolulu and at the Presidio in SF. These were the top secret decoding machines. Note that CINCPAC and Army HQ did not have one.

Never mind that two separate reports, in 1934 and 1936, showed how Pearl Harbor could be attacked. The reports were written by two cousins - Gens. George S. Patton amd Lewis B. “Chesty” Puller.

Never mind that the battleships were moved to Hawaii over the objections of many admirals.

Never mind that Toosevelt had failed after nine years and billions wasted, to end the Great Depression.

After all, FDR was a Liberal; and they are all honorable men./s


11 posted on 12/06/2008 6:24:59 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I will always wonder if Stalin knew about the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. A Russian master spy, Richard Sorge, whose father was German, worked as a German journalist in Japan from 1933 to 1944 (when he was executed). It appears that he warned Stalin and others about the impending German invasion in June 1941. Tom Clancy and others have called him the greatest spy ever.


12 posted on 12/06/2008 6:40:22 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Could Pearl Harbor, like 9/11, have been an inside job? After all, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright once said that the government lied about Pearl Harbor.


13 posted on 12/06/2008 6:47:52 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: SecAmndmt
The "Roosevelt knew!" conspiracy theory is one of the dumber ones out there (well, it's not as bad as chemtrails).

There's no conceivable logical reason why Roosevelt would know, but not warn Pearl Harbor.

The Japanese had no plans to abort or turn around if Pearl Harbor was ready - in fact, they EXPECTED to have to fight their way in, and only HOPED for surprise.

You'd be far better served reading "At Dawn We Slept" by Prange rather than "Day of Deceit"

14 posted on 12/06/2008 6:53:44 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: NTHockey

Never mind that NY slimes lied about holodomor - artificial famine in Ukraine and Durante got Pulitzer price for convincing lying, just like they lie now.


15 posted on 12/06/2008 6:54:42 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee!)
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To: Seruzawa
Navy had manned up all those ships and steamed out to meet the Japanese they would have lost all those battleships and most of the crews permanently at the bottom of the Pacific rather then in 50 feet of water at PH. They would have been sitting ducks for Japanese Naval Air.

I doubt it. The Japanese were set up for an attack on PH, not a naval battle. BTW, how many of our carriers at sea did we lose in the battle of PH?

16 posted on 12/06/2008 6:57:34 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Fiji Hill
Could Pearl Harbor, like 9/11, have been an inside job?

One of the nuttier theories was that the attack was conducted by the Royal Navy with airplanes painted to look Japanese.

17 posted on 12/06/2008 7:10:44 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Granted, FDR wanted to join in with Britain in their war against Germany, but not Japan. No evidence that he wanted war with Japan that I am aware of.


18 posted on 12/06/2008 7:15:16 PM PST by sasportas
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To: Free ThinkerNY
If the NYTimes had any inkling of the attack on PH nothing would have been printed ... no “Imminent attack on PH by Japanese” headlines. However, had the NYSlimes had any clue that U.S. military planned a March 1942 attack on Japan the world would have known well in advance. At some point in late February 1942, headlines along the line “U.S. Navy plans air attack on Japanese homeland” ... bombers to be launched from aircraft carrier task force ... Doolittle expected to lead raid.
Front page NY Times ... is it any wonder terrorists around the world consider the NYSlimes their most reliable source of information?
19 posted on 12/06/2008 7:32:26 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: NTHockey
OSS HQ in Honolulu

The OSS wasn't set up until 1942.

20 posted on 12/06/2008 7:44:17 PM PST by PAR35
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