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To: Elsie; Admin Moderator; Religion Moderator; Jim Robinson
Do you think we do this time-consuming task for the FUN of it? The mere fact that we are HERE shows that we 'care'.

You 'care' about what, exactly? Getting in every Mormon's face on FR, polluting every thread that even hints at mentioning the LDS Church with your hateful, mocking, derisive, and harassing posts? I'm sorry, but FReepers are here for, and I quote, "working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America." You, by your own admission and behavior, have a completely different agenda and goal. You will notice that this thread is not in the Religion forum, but in the News/Activism forum yet you've dumped a bunch of anti-Mormon religious argument in it.

I've been here on FR and a supporter for over 10 years. We used to all work together for our common cause. Then Mitt Romney entered the race and the anti-Mormons, like you, took advantage of that to dump a bunch of divisive anti-Mormon stuff all over FR. Most of it was tolerated because you all were hiding behind some weak excuse of it being relevant to the current presidential campaign. The Romney campaign is over yet the anti-Mormon stuff continues unabated. I stopped supporting Free Republic financially for this reason and have scaled back my participation. Why? Because why would I financially support and form strong association with a group where I now experience constant attacks on my deeply held religious beliefs and where behavior is allowed that divides the forum participants and detracts and distracts from the forum's stated goals?

Think about it. If you were a member of the local Republican Party and you worked for years supporting candidates, working the polls, etc. and then one day a bunch of people came into the party meetings and events and started loudly and hatefully attacking your faith - and the local party leaders allowed that behavior to continue - how would your feelings about and association with the local party change?

I've been able to work for 2 decades as a conservative Republican with people of many religious faiths. In order to forward our common conservative goals, we focused on our common ground and did not attack each others' religions. We got a lot of good work done that way. How would that have worked out if there were constant religious battles going on between us, dividing us?

Maybe you should find an online religious forum whose stated goals are to discuss various religious beliefs instead of working, intentionally or unintentionally, to push LDS FReepers (some of the strongest conservatives you'll ever meet) out of Free Republic. Or, at the very least, keep your divisive and hateful anti-Mormon bash fests to the Religion forum here so the LDS FReepers don't have to have it constantly thrown in our faces.

Oh, and this goes for all the anti-Catholic attacks that I see on Free Republic all the time now. I'm sure that Catholics here pretty much feel the same way about this. This kind of stuff has to stop. We just went through a second major election in which Republicans and conservatives, for the most part, lost. Free Republic has been largely ineffective since 2004. Is it the fault of all the religious division here? No, not completely. But I can't help to see that it is a contributing factor. FR's hits are down, site rankings down, etc. We just aren't what we used to be or what we could be. It is things like the constant attacks on fellow FReepers religions and such that serves to disunite us and drag the forum down into ineffectiveness and irrelevance. It is one thing to go after a religious organization because it is championing liberal candidates and causes. It is entirely another to constantly use a conservative forum to attack a religious organization and its members who are one of the strongest forces for conservative causes right now. I hope you understand the negative effect this has - and if you don't, I hope that management here does and makes some much needed changes.

892 posted on 12/06/2008 8:56:10 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff

Amen, brother.


893 posted on 12/06/2008 9:00:07 AM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: Spiff

“I’ve been here on FR and a supporter for over 10 years. We used to all work together for our common cause. Then Mitt Romney entered the race and the anti-Mormons, like you, took advantage of that to dump a bunch of divisive anti-Mormon stuff all over FR. Most of it was tolerated because you all were hiding behind some weak excuse of it being relevant to the current presidential campaign. The Romney campaign is over yet the anti-Mormon stuff continues unabated.”

I NEVER thought I would see this on FR. The prejudice is just beyond words and NOT very Christian-like. People better figure out who the enemy is, and it AIN’T the Mormons!


894 posted on 12/06/2008 9:03:55 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Spiff; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; svcw; ...
I hope that management here does and makes some much needed changes.

CRUCIFY THEM! CRUCIFY THEM!

You and your fellow mormons have been calling for censorship and/or banning for years for anyone who disputes your mormon message.

You are trying to impose here at FR, the same ban against speaking against your church that is imposed by your leaders on your church members.

Try stopping the mormon proselytizing and propagandizing on FR and see if you get replies to threads that are NOT posted, or threads that are posted in answer to that propagandizing.

Free speech to you and yours is NOT a two-way speech, and you are trying to make it so on FR.

Too bad we don't have a printing press for you to burn down.

897 posted on 12/06/2008 10:20:27 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Spiff; All
I'm sorry, but FReepers are here for, and I quote, "working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America...

Interesting, despite all your bluster about Conservatism Spiff, you bring us Mitt, along with your fellow Mormons who have exhausted themselves (and many of us) with efforts to make him out as the Conservative savior.

You accuse many of us for the same crimes your yourself are guilty of Spiff. For choosing a candidate based on their faith is the other side of the coin of bigotry.

The one saving grace for "our side" Spiff is facts, for while there may be some who oppose Mitt on religious grounds, there is is also ample evidence to support the contention that Mitt is unfit for conservatives on POLITICAL grounds as well. That is where I began many months ago.

So then what would be a Conservatives rationale for supporting him? Other than being a religious peer of course? Now exactly whose argument comes under the heading of bigotry exclusively?

Here is where the issue is Spiff, it is the contradiction that kills.

To thine own self be true...

Last thought, I have to point out the other contradiction in your post, one I have seen from other Mitt fans, the one about attacks on Mitt/Mormons continuing, whilst ignoring the other side of the equation, that Mitt post are continuing as well. Of course you yourself said in your post the race is over. Well is it Spiff?

Don't start none, won't be none as they say in the street...

902 posted on 12/06/2008 10:50:48 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 11-4-2012)
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To: Spiff
You 'care' about what, exactly? Getting in every Mormon's face on FR, polluting every thread that even hints at mentioning the LDS Church with your hateful, mocking, derisive, and harassing posts?

I'm sorry that your past leaders words upset you so.

You need to back away from reading about MORMON history for awhile.

Headquarters sure has.

911 posted on 12/06/2008 7:39:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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