DU:
Please explain to me why men need to settle Theological disputes and not God. Please explain to me how men, without God's assistance settle these disputes.
Colofornian:
(This coming from somebody who belongs to an organization where the stress is on men's revelations? ...
Please show me where the church teaches to follow the relations of men and not revelations from God...(you can't)
Colofornian:
from an organization where the stress is that 100% of everything God does is revealed to prophets? ... Based upon a literal, wooden interpretation of Amos 3:7: Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.)
I assure you it's not
My fault the Bible says that. Since it does, I have to ask do you believe the bible? or just the parts that agree with you? Or is it that you have a more liberal view of the Bible as a "living document" that c an be changed to fit the times?
DU:
Last question is someone who believes in Jesus, but has a different understanding than you do "passing themselves off" or do they really believe?
Colofornian:
Believing in the "wrong" Jesus is no light matter. The apostle Paul asked the Corinthians: Suppose someone comes to you and preaches about a Jesus different from the Jesus we preached about? (2 Cor. 11:4)
Which is exactly what happened with the
Trinity! (Ya think he was prophesying?) Colofornian:
Likewise Jesus made it clear that it wasn't simply just knowing any old god. He prayed to His Father: "And THIS is eternal life -- that you KNOW the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom He has sent." (John 17:3)
Yeah, execpt that with the trinity, you only have to know Jesus, because he's his own father
This is how this sounds to people not raised with the trinity <-- funny video!
With an Arian view you need to know god the ?father and his Son Jesus Christ whom He has sent.
Ya know, what's funny about all this is that Mormons can understand Evangelicals and Protestants and Born agains, none of them truly understand us, or they join us. This phenomenon of "Orthodox Christians" who have their eyes opened and gain a testimony and become Mormons is why Anti's fight so hard against people
Getting a Book of Mormon, and praying about it. there is no other reasonable explanation for the opposition to those simple, Godly steps.
I assure you it's not My fault the Bible says that. [Amos 3:7: "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."] Since it does, I have to ask do you believe the bible? or just the parts that agree with you?No. (What part of 1 Cor. 13:9 is a mystery to you? For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.)
To hear you tell it, the LDS "prophets" have the complete divine "download"--even weather reports & all!
To hear you tell it, "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing..." [Rain, snow, hail, tornado, huricane, Mark Hofmann falsified documents, terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers & India, etc.] "but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."]
So. Are you trying to tell us, Delf, that Hinckley knew about 911 ahead of time? Or that your current "proph" has God's next storm already relayed to him? Remember, now, that your wooden, literal interpretation mandates that the Lord can't do a thing minus telling your "prophet."
Please show me where the church teaches to follow the relations of men and not revelations from God...(you can't)
Give me a break, Delf. Your god is a man! (Joseph Smith repeatedly said so!)
Example: The Scriptures inform us that Jesus said, As the Father hath power in Himself, even so hath the Son power--to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious--in a manner to lay down His body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father DID, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 346)
Your god died! (Joseph said so!) He was physically mortal BEFORE he ever became divine! That's your revelatory god!
Besides that, look at how Joseph Smith as a mere man repeatedly contradicted God's revelations from the Bible:
Example 1: An angel of God never has wings. Some will say that they have seen a spirit; that he offered them his hand, but they did not touch it. This is a lie. First, it is contrary to the plan of God: a spirit cannot come but in glory; an angel has flesh and bones..." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 162)
So, Smith called the prophet Isaiah a liar! Isaiah clearly talks about winged angels in Isaiah 6!
Example 2: Daniel in his seventh chapter speaks of the Ancient of Days; he means the oldest man, our Father Adam, Michael...Adam...the first and oldest of all, the great, grand progenitor of whom it is said in another place he is Michael. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 157, 167)
(Sorry, Joe. Adam is NOT Michael the Archangel! And, no, Adam is NOT the "ancient of days"...you'll need to study the Bible a bit more to unravel that, LDSaints)
Example 3: Now, we read that many bodies of the Saints arose at Christ's resurrection, PROBABLY all the Saints, but it seems that David did not. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 188)
[Hey wait a minute! Did the Lord raise ALL the saints or not? So now we have the "prophets" of God conjecturing on the "probability" of God's historical truth? Here, you've just lectured me, Delf, on supposedly believing only the parts of the Bible I want to, and/or having a more liberal view of the Bible as a "living document" that can be changed to fit the times? All that because I take issue with the way LDS interpret Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do NOTHING but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.]
Well, based upon Smith's teachings, I guess you can go on to interpret Amos 3:7 to read: surely the Lord Mormon God did nothing like raise all the saints, or maybe it was most of the saints, or perhaps it was some of the saints, or it could have even been multiple-choice lead pencil pick -- a few of the saints without revealething his secret unto his servant the prophet, Joey Smith? (I mean, surely you're not gonna want to back off your interpretation of Amos 3:7 now that you've walked out so far to defend it, right?)
Example 4: I was once praying earnestly upon this subject, and a voice said unto me, 'My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man...I prophesy in the name of the Lord god, and let it be written--the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 286)
So, since Joe didn't live to be 85...I guess we can conclude that...
...(a) -- He DIDN'T see the face of the Son of Man; and...
...(b) that his accompanying Jesus-returning-in-the-clouds "prophesy" was either a false prophesy (Jesus DIDN'T come in the clouds of heaven when Smith was 85, 'cause He never reached that ripe ole age) OR that it was a totally worthless, meaningless statement -- that Jesus would return sometime after Smith turned 85...I mean, he might as well have said: "I prophesy in the name of the Lord god, and let it be written--the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am one hundred and eighty-five years old." (That would have just been as meaningful!)
