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Posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by Publius804
An Ugly Attack on Mormons
The easiest targets for an organized campaign against religious freedom of conscience.
By Jonah Goldberg
Did you catch the political ad in which two Jews ring the doorbell of a nice working-class family? They barge in and rifle through the wife’s purse and then the man’s wallet for any cash. Cackling, they smash the daughter’s piggy bank and pinch every penny. “We need it for the Wall Street bailout!” they exclaim.
No? Maybe you saw the one with the two swarthy Muslims who knock on the door of a nice Jewish family and then blow themselves up?
No? Well, then surely you saw the TV ad in which two smarmy Mormon missionaries knock on the door of an attractive lesbian couple. “Hi, we’re from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!” says the blond one with a toothy smile. “We’re here to take away your rights.” The Mormon zealots yank the couple’s wedding rings from their fingers and then tear up their marriage license.
As the thugs leave, one says to the other, “That was too easy.” His smirking comrade replies, “Yeah, what should we ban next?” The voice-over implores viewers: “Say no to a church taking over your government.”
Obviously, the first two ads are fictional because no one would dare run such anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim attacks.
The third ad, however, was real. It was broadcast throughout California on Election Day as part of the effort to rally opposition to Proposition 8, the initiative that successfully repealed the right to same-sex marriage in the state.
What was the reaction to the ad? Widespread condemnation? Scorn? Rebuke? Tepid criticism?
Nope.
The Los Angeles Times, a principled opponent of Proposition 8, ran an editorial lamenting that the “hard-hitting commercial” was too little, too late.
(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...
So between the time that Hippolytus died in 236 and the Council at Nicea in 325 AD the view of the church swung from three entities acting as one God to one God made up of three manifestations. This is really not a HUGE change when you think about it, but it has many important ramifications.Also note that I am not just quoting "Mormon Scripture" in these sections, I link to Catholic enclyclopedia on-line for most of this, and other on line references for the rest.
No, he made a comment. I was asking him to explain that comment. Are the questions too hard to answer? You constantly ask Mormons to explain their beliefs, which we do on a regular basis. When we ask for you to explain your beliefs, all you can do is come up with “You Play Defense For Awhile!”?
I would think you would be proud of your beliefs & be willing to explain them rather than hide behind some nebulous guide to distract the argument.
There are lurkers here that not only look for our explanations, but yours as well. I asked questions. I would think they would be relatively easy to answer. Plain & simple.
OK - you "made a comment" too. I haven't read every post on the thread, but I read yours. Explain "After All You Can Do" vis a vis the Grace of Christ and His words "It is Finished - John 19:30" for me.
Is that too hard?
You constantly ask Mormons to explain their beliefs, which we do on a regular basis.
HA!
No you do not!
You call every critic a "bigot" or a "hater", you contradict scripture, deny Mormon heresy, and then point fingers.
When we ask for you to explain your beliefs, all you can do is come up with “You Play Defense For Awhile!”?
You are reacting to me calling BS with your post. Now, you multiply the error.
I would think you would be proud of your beliefs & be willing to explain them rather than hide behind some nebulous guide to distract the argument.
You bet.
Ravi is a friend of mine.
Here is what I believe:
Ravi Zacharias - The Existence of God
Ravi reached out to the Mormon church, and spoke in Salt Lake. The leaders of Mormonism cynically used his appearance to try and justify their power. They reminded me of Pharisees in Christ's time.
There are lurkers here that not only look for our explanations, but yours as well. I asked questions. I would think they would be relatively easy to answer. Plain & simple.
You don't only "ask questions" as an innocent lamb, so drop that defense. You are a Defender of Mormonism, and it cannot be logically defended.
Let me put a stake in your argument. Joe Smith (your "prophet") took sexual pleasure in wives of men who followed him who were married to these same women!
If you are so blind to follow that - then you deserve your fate.
That may be, but there are Mormons in California. Their participation is as legitimate as the NRA, the AARP, or any other advocacy group. Perhaps unusual only in the sense that it's coming directly from a religious group, rather than an affinity group.
> As a mason, I will say he boldly stole the fraternity initiation and turned it into a religion.
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> Pretty crappy thing to do to the fraternity for many reasons. Not only an oath-breaker, but continues to tar the fraternity with people who think it is a religion.
I guess I need to respond to this on two levels.
As a Mason I am bitterly disappointed that Brother Joseph Smith thought our Masonic birthright to be something that he could treat cheaply and shabbily.
You and I both swore the same Obligations that he did: in his case he probably took the Antient Obligation — something not to be taken lightly. And it would appear that he broke those Obligations, if I am to believe this material (I do).
Crikey! On a Masonic level Joseph Smith would be a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth and totally unfit to be received into any warranted Lodge or society of men who prize honor and virtue above the external advantages of rank and fortune.
To say nothing of the Antient penalties.
I do not know of any Mormons who are active Freemasons: there are none in my Lodge. I do not doubt that there must be some in the wider Brotherhood. If so, it must be somewhat embarrassing for them!
There would be no barrier to them joining, naturally, because they believe in God.
My response to this as a Christian is that I need to leave the judging of Joseph Smith to God. Not for nothing does Jesus advise us not to take Oaths: I believe it is because doing so can make you obligated in ways that can make your Christian walk difficult.
I have no difficulty keeping my Masonic oaths, but obviously Joseph Smith did. And by promising to keep secrets that he did not keep, he bore false witness.
The Jews were singled out for torture, and even one of the morticians said he was horrified when he had to view the bodies.
The people who answered "Christian" were slaughtered. If they answered "Mormon" the terrorists would have (maybe) thought they were Christian, but definitely not Muslim, so they would have been safe. BUT - that kind of judgment means the Judges were more ignorant than potted plants.
I am sure the Muslim murderers "hated." It wasn't even "righteous."
It still remains, however, that Mormonism is a cult that has distorted scripture and must be opposed. It is not the Truth, and never has been. It is enslaving people to Hell, and to empower it is evil, wicked, and terrible.
> Iff’n you ain’t a SLC based believer in the BoM and some of the Bible and the D&C’s and the Living Prophet®, then you AIN’T a ‘real’ MORMON and do NOT try to pass yerself OFF as one!
1) I don’t take orders from you, Elsie
2) I defy you to show me where I have ever claimed to be a Mormon
3) I expect your apology
I’m not saying the Mormons in California don’t have a right to get involved. I was commenting on the fact that the majority of out-of-state money that was involved was from Utah, and it was a lot of money. Those Mormons in Utah that got involved, whether financially (donations) or through other means, would probably not have been happy if millions of dollars poured in from California to fight or support a proposition in Utah.
I’m sure they wouldn’t be pleased. Few activists for any cause embrace their oppositions tactice. This entire thread has gotten away from the topic, a blatently anti-Mormon ad. Internet, what can you do, but shame on the stations that ran it.
Yes, but he is only one God among many. Perhaps even you will join him some day. Pride=wanting to be like God.
I never said it was. I said the world hates righteousness.
>>While I suppose it’s possible the discussion here pleases Mormons, my suspicion it that a politically conservative Mormon unfamiliar with the site reading the reaction to these ads isn’t anxious to sign up.<<
You’ve got that right.
And taken out of context by those looking to hurt FR.
If someone looking up glass confessionals on a Google search, came upon the thread where the Catholic practice of confessing to a priest was questioned in the second reply, I suspect, that person would not come back.
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