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Is the Man of Sin Revealed (and is it 0bama?)
Five Doves ^ | 2 December 2008 | John Tng

Posted on 12/02/2008 11:13:43 AM PST by mkjessup

Ted Porter was insightful regarding Rev 13:18 -- the 666 scripture (see link). Ted wrote:

Why does this verse specify that “him that hath understanding” is required to count the number of the beast? Why does it say “Here is wisdom”? Why can’t just anyone count the name of the beast? Why can’t we just have a computer take names and find out which ones equal 666?"

Note the requirements to solving the riddle: understanding, wisdom and counting. Ted is right. Pure counting alone seems too easy (the way Ted puts it, it takes zero wisdom). Now this whole business of counting the name of the antichrist has been going on for the past 2,000 years. I am not claiming to have more wisdom than every one else, but I think it is because time is short, and people used the wrong calculator to do the counting!

John Tng (2 Dec 2008)
"Is the Man of Sin Revealed?"


I sensed that some doves feel we should look for Jesus, not the son of perdition. But we are looking for Jesus alright when we try to count the name of the antichrist (something not prohibited in Scripture; in fact, the Apostle John teased us with these words, "Let him that hath understanding count the number ...."). The arrival of the antichrist should EXCITE us no end because it means Jesus is AT THE DOOR!

Evidence #1

So many things about Obama is marked with the number 666 it is just breathtaking! But we need first to clear the stumbling block that plagued us up until now. Traditionally we resort to the Hebrew and Greek gematria to work out the identity of Mr. 666. Well, it turns out the right gematria to use is English! If you think about it, this is logical because of who the antichrist is. With names like Hussein, Barry, Soetoro and Obama, are we sure we are able to come up with their equivalents in Hebrew and Greek, with no wriggling room for error?

Once you get past this mental block, and begin to apply the English gematria to Obama, the number 666 just pops like popcorn! The abundance of 666 is proof positive that we have found the man. The remarkable thing about these 666 occurrences is that THEY ARE BIBLICAL! The Author of the Word of God planted clues in the Book and posed us a teaser in chapter 13 verse 18 of the book of Revelation. The chapter and verse numbers of the 666 scripture are instructive: 13 is the number of rebellion and 18 is 6+6+6.

The first evidence that floored me is this. Two years ago Paul Black (a friend of Ian Mallett) posted an intriguing article called 'Counting Numbers' (see link). Paul wrote:

There are four references to 666 in the bible, three in the OT, one in the NT. The three OT references are, 1 Kings 10:14 at 9,094, 2 Chronicles 9:13 at 11,378, and Ezra 2:13 at 12,041. The total is 32,513 or 41 x 793.
 
Revelation 13:18 is 30,927, or 39 x 793. All four verses are therefore 80 x 793. This amazingly high common factor is the eleventh figurate hexagram, or star of David, which is made up of twelve triangles of 66, the eleventh triangular number. Notice the Revelation verse has the 3 x 13 again. The total number of letters in the four verses is 216, or 6 x 6 x 6.

What a remarkable discovery! What is so special about the number 793 that it is a common factor in the four 666 scriptures? An unbiased researcher like Paul Black took notice of it. No doubt he was puzzled by its intimate link with the number 666. Is it chance or design? Is there a purpose for its connection with the number of the beast? I believe there is. Observe that it is a factor of 13, the number of rebellion: 793 = 13 x 61. Astonishingly, it is also the standard English gematria value (see below) of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!

Standard English Gematria

A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 G=7 H=8 I=9
J=10 K=20 L=30 M=40 N=50 O=60 P=70 Q=80 R=90
S=100 T=200 U=300 V=400 W=500 X=600 Y=700 Z=800  


Barack Hussein Obama =117+572+104=793

B A R A C K  
2 1 90 1 3 20  
H U S S E I N
8 300 100 100 5 9 50
O B A M A    
60 2 1 40 1    

The reader may ask:  But I thought the name of the antichrist is supposed to add to 666, not 793? Perhaps this is the reason why we have failed to identify Obama so far. He is hidden in the four 666 scriptures even though his name is not equal to 666. (Shortly I will show his name does add to 666 in more ways than one!) Obama was born Aug 4, 1961. His birthdate is day 216 that year and the number 216 is 666! This is also the total number of letters of the four 666 verses! The total number of letters in Obama's name is 18 (6+6+6) -- also the verse number of the 666 scripture in Revelation chapter 13! Ted also discovered that the common English gematria (A=6; B=12; C=18...) of BARACK is 216 (666)!

Of the four 666 scriptures, the beast scripture is most stunning in revealing Obama:

Rev 13:18 (6+6+6) = verse 30927  = 13x79313x79313x793 !!!

To put it in English, the 666 beast scripture verse number is REBELLIOUS (13) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (793) triply emphasized!

Since the antichrist is counterfeit christ, his number is the mirror of JESUS in Hebrew, 397! (see link) The 1189 chapters in the Bible attest to this mirroring: chapter 793 is chapter 397 counting from the last chapter! If you sum all numbers from 1 to 793, the total is 397793 !!!!!

John the Revelator confirms the mirroring as well. The word antichrist is purely Johannine (1 Jn 2:18 twice; 2:22; 4:3; 2 Jn 7). In its first mention, the word appears TWICE for double emphasis. Is there a link between this DOUBLE ANTICHRIST verse and the 666 BEAST verse, both Johannine? You bet! Be amazed by the mirroring below:

1 John 2:18 (18=6+6+6) = verse 30569 = 7 x 11 x 397
    Re 13:18 (18=6+6+6) = verse 30927 = 3 x 13 x 793

What are the chances that the number of verses between them is 359 inclusive, the Hebrew gematria value of SATAN?


Evidence #2

Besides the standard and common English gematria schemes mentioned above, we also have the ordinal (A=1; B=2; C=3; ... Z=26) and reduced values (see link & below).

Reduced English Gematria

A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 G=7 H=8 I=9
J=1 K=2 L=3 M=4 N=5 O=6 P=7 Q=8 R=9
S=1 T=2 U=3 V=4 W=5 X=6 Y=7 Z=8  

The standard, ordinal and reduced values of Barack Hussein Obama are 793, 163 and 64. Scripture records the death of Judas (type of antichrist) in two chapters, Mat 27 and Acts 1. The chapter number of Mat 27 is 956 -- the sum of 793 and 163 -- standard and ordinal values of Barack Hussein Obama! The total number of chapters between Mat 27 and Acts 1 inclusive is 64 -- the reduced value of  Barack Hussein Obama!

Phew! The man is pointed to by Judas Iscariot in the only two chapters that record his death!


Evidence #3

The common English gematria (A=6; B=12; C=18 ...) of Barack Hussein Obama is 978. This does not look like 666. In fact, none of the three values above look like 666. However, the sum of these four values is 793+163+64+978 = 666666 666  !!!!!!!!

Need I say more!?



Evidence #4

Increasingly coincidence is ruled out. Apply the four counting schemes to Obama's real name: BARRY SOETORO. The standard, ordinal, reduced and common values are 1458, 171, 63 and 1026. Again,  none of them looks like 666. The sum of the four values of Barack Hussein Obama is 666 triply emphaized. What about the sum of the four values of Obama's real name, Barry Soetoro? Can we also find the number of the beast? Yes! All it takes is a bit of manipulation of the numbers. It is certainly not the straightforward counting that we are accustomed to, to arrive at the number of the antichrist. But I think you will agree with me the number of the beast is hidden here as well! Subtract the forth value from the first three values: 1458 + 171 + 63 - 1026 = 666  !!!!!!

Hello? Is this confirmation or what!?

Evidence #5
In this evidence, Jesus REVEALED to John the identity of the antichrist! Impossible? With Jesus, all things are possible. He is the Wonderful Numberer. John the Revelator received the antichrist teaser and recorded it in Revelation chapter 13. John the Evangelist was shown the betrayer of Jesus (a type of antichrist) in chapter 13 of his Gospel. Is there a link between these two chapters marked by the number of rebellion, 13?

Take the standard, ordinal and reduced values of Barack Hussein Obama. Begin with Revelation 13 as the first chapter. Count forward the sum of these three values of the antichrist (793+163+64). Can you believe the counting leads us to John 13 when Jesus REVEALED to John the identity of Judas Iscariot in v26 (13+13)?

793+163+64 = 10 (Re 13 to end Bible) + 1189 (total no chapters of Bible) + 1010
Chapter 1010 = John 13 !!

Verse 27 says SATAN entered into Judas, the only person with the dubious honor of being possessed by Lucifer in Scripture! No doubt the antichrist is the Devil incarnate. At the start of this chapter verse 2, John recorded for us the DEVIL put into the heart of Judas to betray Jesus! The name JUDAS ISCARIOT last appears in the Bible in this chapter! 

So, tell me, is it coincidence that Barack Hussein Obama (three gematria values) just fits nicely between John 13 and Revelation 13 -- two antichrist chapters?
Evidence #6
5 million people will be in Washington to witness the inauguration of Obama on Jan 20, 2009. The world is falling all over him! In an interesting post by Hollis Caravetta yesterday (see link), she observed the 666 dimensions of the obelisk: "At the ground level each side of the monument measures 55.5’ long, which is equal to 666”.  As I already mentioned, the height of the obelisk is 555.5’ or 6,666”!"

Obama will be sworn in Jan 20, 2009. Given his immense popularity, let's just say he will go on and win the second term which ends on Jan 20, 2017. What do you know? On that end date, Obama will have lived PRECISELY 55.5 years, that is, 666 months since his birth on Aug 4, 1961!


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The 666 popcorn continues to pop. But I have to end here with more evidences saved for the next time. :(

HE IS AT THE DOOR!  :)

John



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To: lupie
John Tng of Five Doves is NO bible scholar...Don’t be deceived by this site.

Nothing wrong with being skeptical, however the data he has provided in this article is factual, is based on Scripture, and past theories not withstanding, is worth consideration IMHO.

Actually, this is the first time John Tng has advanced a theory regarding the identity of the Antichrist, in fact he limits his own posts, when was the last time he posted such a theory, to the best of your recollection? I've not seen any.
81 posted on 12/02/2008 12:00:24 PM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: mkjessup
What makes anyone think you can figure this out in ENGLISH.

Contrary to what most of us would like to believe, the United States is not the center of God's universe.

82 posted on 12/02/2008 12:01:13 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Not anymore it’s not, that’s for sure.


83 posted on 12/02/2008 12:02:42 PM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: rjp2005

Daniel 8:1

“In the third year of the reign of king Baltasar, a vision appeared to me. I, Daniel, after what I had seen in the beginning, {8:2} Saw in my vision when I was in the castle of Susa, which is in the province of Elam: and I saw in the vision that I was over the gate of Ulai. {8:3} And I lifted up my eyes, and saw: and behold a ram stood before the water, having two high horns, and one higher than the other, and growing up. Afterward {8:4} I saw the ram pushing with his horns against the west, and against the north, and against the south: and no beasts could withstand him, nor be delivered out of his hand: and he did according to his own will, and became great.”

8:19 “And he said to me: I will shew thee what things are to come to pass in the end of the malediction: for the time hath its end. {8:20} The ram, which thou sawest with horns, is the king of the Medes and Persians.


84 posted on 12/02/2008 12:03:47 PM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: mkjessup; F15Eagle

The odds of it happening really aren’t that high. The odds of any particular combination of three turning up are one in one thousand. When you have multiple drawings per day, like Illinois, which has noon and evening pick 3. If the pick 3 happened twice per week (Wednesday and Saturday), twice each day, over a year, the odds are only 208/1000 that you will have the numbers 666 picked. That they are picked four times is 52/1000 odds, well within a reasonable statistical model for a year’s period. It is then just a matter of matching events to the dates they are drawn.


85 posted on 12/02/2008 12:05:14 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mkjessup

> I too, originally thought that the Pope indeed was the Antichrist, and I read Alexander Hislop’s “The Two Babylons” cover to cover

(grin!) I’ve got Hislop’s book in my library, right next to John Thomas’ “Eureka: an Exposition of the Apocalypse” in six volumes. This sets out the Continuous Historical application of Revelation rather well. However, it is a tad dated, as it was originally written around the time of the American Civil War — still, a good read.

I think it makes perfect sense to watch out for these things, and perhaps even to speculate: after all, we are told to.

I hope all is well with you, too!


86 posted on 12/02/2008 12:05:24 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: mnehrling; mkjessup; F15Eagle
Correction to previous..
The odds of it happening really aren’t that high low.
87 posted on 12/02/2008 12:07:04 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mkjessup; F15Eagle

I’ll do you one better on 85 as well. If the odds of 666 being drawn four times in one year in Illinois is 52/1000, I didn’t really consider that we should look at the whole country. I believe somehwere around 23 States have pick three lottos, but for the sake of round numbers, I’ll go with 20. The statistics of 666 being picked four times in the country over a year period are 1040/1000.


88 posted on 12/02/2008 12:11:36 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mkjessup

ping

will read later when I get home. Don’t have tinfoil hat at work with me.


89 posted on 12/02/2008 12:11:43 PM PST by LeoOshkosh (Crazy Leo is right again)
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To: mkjessup

“I grew up practicing one faith, but converted to Christianity because it was widely accepted in my country.

But, I practiced non-traditional beliefs and did not follow mainstream Christianity. “

What religion was hitler before “converting”?


90 posted on 12/02/2008 12:11:48 PM PST by Augustinian monk ("Can't we try bombing them with kindness?")
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To: mkjessup

I thought that the real number of the beast was 663 and has been incorrectly written for generations. The oldest fragments of Rev. show it as 663, which equates to Caligula Caesar.


91 posted on 12/02/2008 12:12:42 PM PST by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I’ve never read ‘Eureka’, I’ll have to hunt that down!

Well I’m taking a meal break here, I’ll let the comics and skeptics enjoy this thread in my absence, hey - it was a boring news day anyhow. LOL

Later FRiend!


92 posted on 12/02/2008 12:13:05 PM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: mkjessup


Drink Your Ovaltine
93 posted on 12/02/2008 12:13:52 PM PST by LeoOshkosh (Crazy Leo is right again)
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To: LeoOshkosh

Simply priceless!

Thanks!


94 posted on 12/02/2008 12:14:42 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: mkjessup

A tiresome rehash of numerology, right up there with examining the entrails of animals and tea leaves.

God’s attitude toward those seekers of omens and diviners is well expressed at Deut. 18:10-13, numerology being one of those practices,

Why would Christians want to involve themselves in such practices?


95 posted on 12/02/2008 12:15:03 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Lx
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, wasn’t Ronald Wilson Reagan this as well?">

Not only do the letter-counts of his name add up to 6-6-6, but 666 was the address of home in Bel Air. (He and Nancy petitioned the post office to change it, IIRC.)
96 posted on 12/02/2008 12:15:29 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([In the primaries, vote "FOR". In the general, vote "AGAINST". ...See? Easy.])
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To: Augustinian monk

Actually, Hitler converted(sic) to the occult, not converted to Catholicism. He used Catholicism for his own means but had a famous quote about looking forward to throwing off the Catholic church and embracing ‘ancient world’s gods’.


97 posted on 12/02/2008 12:17:00 PM PST by mnehring
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To: bonnieblue4me

>>I thought that the real number of the beast was 663 and has been incorrectly written for generations. The oldest fragments of Rev. show it as 663, which equates to Caligula Caesar.<<

Well, I guess that lets Reagan off the hook.


98 posted on 12/02/2008 12:19:32 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: LeoOshkosh
LOL!
99 posted on 12/02/2008 12:20:31 PM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: bonnieblue4me
The oldest fragments of Rev. show it as 663, which equates to Caligula Caesar.

Didn't 666, using the same pattern, equate to Nero Caesar, which, ironically, was the Caesar who ordered the burning of Israel and the annihilation of the Jews, up to the final battle at Masada over the Megeddo valley (Armageddon)

100 posted on 12/02/2008 12:22:17 PM PST by mnehring
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