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Dyersville shooter claims self-defense
Thonlonline.com ^ | 30 November, j2008 | Bekah Porter

Posted on 12/01/2008 4:16:59 AM PST by marktwain

DYERSVILLE, Iowa --- A Dubuque shooter changed the locks on his victim’s apartment shortly before firing at him twice.

Officials with the Dubuque County Sheriff’s Department and the Dubuque County Attorney’s Office refused to release the identity of the 48-year-old Dubuque man who voluntarily went with police after shooting and killing 24-year-old David V. Herman of Dyersville.

However, authorities have established a basic timeline of what happened Saturday afternoon before the incident.

According to the Dubuque County Sheriff’s Department, the shooter had been hired by Bonjour Estates of Dubuque to change the locks on at least two residences at the seven-apartment complex in Dyersville.

He changed the locks at the apartment where Herman lived with his girlfriend, Jen Farver. Farver had been evicted, and the couple spent Saturday loading the last of their belongings.

The shooter moved onto another apartment, where he was working on changing the locks, when Herman arrived and confronted the shooter. A physical altercation occurred, with punching and shoving. The shooter went to his car. Herman followed, got in the car, and another physical altercation took place, authorities said.

“In some point during the second altercation, shots were fired,” said Capt. Bob Lynn of the Dubuque County Sheriff’s Department.

The shooter performed CPR on Herman until emergency workers arrived, and then he went voluntarily with police. He was not charged and was released the same day. He told police he acted in self defense.

Dubuque County Attorney Ralph Potter said the investigation now centers around the justification to use deadly force.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: banglist; iowa; shooting
Looks like another case of journalistic malpractice. The victim was the one who was attacked, folled outside and into his car as he tried to retreat, and ultimately had to use deadly force to defend himself. The person shot was the aggressor, it seems.
1 posted on 12/01/2008 4:17:00 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wow, they like the word ‘shooter’ a lot.

He was even labeled a ‘shooter’ when he was just changing the locks...


2 posted on 12/01/2008 4:21:59 AM PST by Diggler (We will be beaten with our own virtue. Proud American Infidel!)
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To: Diggler

and I thought it was just me who had to backup & reread!


3 posted on 12/01/2008 4:25:15 AM PST by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: marktwain

‘Strewth!

It’s a sobering thought that in America every physical confrontation has the potential to escalate into somebody getting shot.

Do you Yanks find that it makes you a bit more careful about getting into fisticuffs? It would certainly make me think twice. Or three times.


4 posted on 12/01/2008 4:27:26 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: marktwain
"The shooter performed CPR on Herman until emergency workers arrived.."

Very good move. It will definitely look good to a jury if it should happen to go to trial.

5 posted on 12/01/2008 4:30:16 AM PST by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

my tagline says it all.


6 posted on 12/01/2008 4:32:03 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: marktwain
I was visiting a friend in Dyersville on Saturday and saw all the commotion outside these apartments on my way home. There were too many law enforcement and media vehicles for the type of minor weirdness that has come and gone in these same apartments over the years, so I knew something pretty serious had happened.

Anyone other than an LEO or member of a PC-protected victim group is likely to be rolling the ball uphill in Dubuque County; the maintenance guy had better be lawyered up pretty good.

Mr. niteowl77

7 posted on 12/01/2008 4:33:09 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: DieHard the Hunter

It’s a sobering thought to me that there are actually places in the world that the law does not allow citizens to protect themselves.


8 posted on 12/01/2008 4:34:26 AM PST by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum)
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To: Jaxter

> It’s a sobering thought to me that there are actually places in the world that the law does not allow citizens to protect themselves.

In NZ we can use “reasonable force” to protect ourselves or someone else, which the courts tend to interpret as “the minimum amount of force necessary to bring the situation under control”.

All of which, of course, gets second-guessed in Court under the benefit of hindsight.

In the heat of the moment, it is difficult to gauge how much force is “minimal”, as you can well appreciate. It’s a farce, actually.


9 posted on 12/01/2008 4:43:32 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Diggler; marktwain

If the author of this article has a degree in journalism, she should get a refund from her college. If she has a degree in the psychology of propaganda, then she should make a large donation.

She managed to make it sound as if the guy changing the locks just suddenly opened fire for no apparent reason. I had to read the article twice to get an idea of what happened.


10 posted on 12/01/2008 4:47:58 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Alot of it is how the story is told. When I heard about it on the news last night, I got the impression that the maintenance worker had gone to his car and then went back towards the dead guy. In that case I thought it was unreasonable since he should have just left in his car and got the police.

If the dead guy followed the maintenance worker to the car, then the dead guy got what was coming to him.


11 posted on 12/01/2008 4:53:12 AM PST by exhaustguy
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I have been carrying just about every day since I got out of the Navy in 1992. I also hold a 3rd dan in Okinawan Kenpo. The knowledge that I have the means and the ability to kill tempers my judgment every day. I avoid altercations when possible, but am prepared if I am forced into one, and then I act in a measured way appropriate for the situation. My wife and I were accosted in a parking garage several years ago and I subdued and disarmed all three attackers myself and held them at gunpoint for the police. I could have just as easily shot them, but the situation didn’t warrant it.


12 posted on 12/01/2008 4:54:47 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: marktwain
I hate dealing with evictions and repos. Those are just a couple of good job related reasons for getting a concealed carry permit.
13 posted on 12/01/2008 4:59:40 AM PST by GBA
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Where I live this is reasonable force...


14 posted on 12/01/2008 4:59:54 AM PST by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum)
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To: Vaquero

So does mine. ;^)


15 posted on 12/01/2008 5:09:15 AM PST by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
In Mississippi we have the Castle Doctrine (THANK YOU HALEY BARBOUR)... which states that if you are on your property and you feel that your life is in danger, you may use lethal force. It also considers your vehicle as an extension of your home.

LLS

16 posted on 12/01/2008 5:14:54 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims! I am an UMA-unity my a$$)
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To: marktwain

Roscheks (?) Department store. Potosi Beer. the 4th Street (?) elevator? Eagle Point Park. The Locks. Love that town!


17 posted on 12/01/2008 6:06:49 AM PST by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
problem with 'minimal' is if you guess wrong, you may not live long enough to correct yer 'under'-estimation...

bears repeating, that an armed society is [should be] a polite society...

18 posted on 12/01/2008 6:38:11 AM PST by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; p8triot
and as an aside, why should any person hafta risk their life on the odd chance of the 'lethal' punch???

sure it aint likely, [Ive been hit hard enough to think I was gonna die] but its a possibility that 'fisticuffs' could get deadly in a hurry, especially if someone is chemically pumped or has training...things that i cannot possible know at the moment someone closes to grappling range...

19 posted on 12/01/2008 6:49:09 AM PST by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Gilbo_3
Ive been hit hard enough to think I was gonna die.

Just being knocked down onto concrete can kill you, or incapacitate you to the point where you are more vulnerable to further attack. Physical contact, or the threat thereof is enough motivation to produce a firearm...further evidence of aggression is all that's needed justify the deployment of some lead.

20 posted on 12/01/2008 9:29:15 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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