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To: GunRunner
No, no, I didn't say that "fame, fortune, amusement," etc. are necessarily exclusionary to "patience, faithfulness, self-control," etc. But when one comes in conflict with the other, a religious person has the additional element of supernatural hope to motivate actions which are, in this life, sacrificial of their interests.

I had a similar argument with a Benedictine nun once, who averred that even if there were no God she would act as she did, because "it's just a good way to live." That's as may be --- for her -- but for me, it makes no sense to live in voluntary poverty, chastity, and obedience for a lifetime if "you only come this way once" and therefore it's up to you to "grab all the gusto."

Our loves are as great as our hopes, and the thorough-going atheist has no hopes of anything other than a 100 mph crash into a solid brick wall. And in the long run --- if he cares to think of that which he will never see --- the long sigh of entropy in the heat-death of the Universe.

131 posted on 11/24/2008 12:47:01 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that show us what we truly are. " -- J.K.Rowling)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Our loves are as great as our hopes, and the thorough-going atheist has no hopes of anything other than a 100 mph crash into a solid brick wall.

I beg to differ.

Tchaikovsky, the Hubble telescope, and the microchip provide things of such grandeur that it's hard for me to believe that people once got excited over a burning bush or parlor tricks with wine and water.

If heat death occurs before we've found a way to colonize outside of the universe, then I hope we will have left a good mark on history. I don't need a pedagogical fairy tale to give me hope.

137 posted on 11/24/2008 12:58:12 PM PST by GunRunner
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