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1 posted on 11/22/2008 9:42:24 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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There are many forms of protection that does not involve firearms. One is a microwave gun that heats the adversary up or sonic weapons that will create a instant migraine. But I doubt that these will work on blood thirsty pirates.


2 posted on 11/22/2008 9:53:44 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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As the US Navy has less and less influence in international waters, expect this piracy thing to be the norm.

And I would’nt trust a Somalli to defend a peice of crap on dry land. but I think that whole region is the same, so what do I know.


3 posted on 11/22/2008 9:55:16 PM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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I thought so - Blackwater is expanding. I wonder if they’re hiring?


4 posted on 11/22/2008 10:17:25 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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Blow a whole bunch of the pirates out of the water. When enough of them die, they will go on to something else.


5 posted on 11/22/2008 10:24:56 PM PST by Thunder90
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Privateers and letters of mark come to mind. Let them keep 50% of what they get from the pirates plus payment from the merchants and insurers.
7 posted on 11/22/2008 10:35:47 PM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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(Sigh!) Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Piracy is not new. The arguments in favor of paying the pirates off are not new. The pathetic hope that the issue may be addressed with other than violence is not new. Except for the magic (and fictive) sonic curtain this set of arguments might have been translated from the Hittite or Phoenician.

One thing works. Destroy their sanctuaries. Or shut up and pay them off, and expect to keep paying them off forever.

8 posted on 11/22/2008 10:40:27 PM PST by Billthedrill
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I’ve been saying for several years that the PMCs could do this and rake in the cash. I just wish I had been in a position to do something about it back then.


9 posted on 11/22/2008 10:57:29 PM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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During WWII, Allied merchant ships had U.S. Navy gun crews assigned to them to operate the ordnance installed on them (3, 4, and 5-inch naval guns along with 20 and 40mm AA guns). The merchantmen ran the ship, and the Navy gun crews took care of the surface and aerial attackers when encountered

Maybe something similar could be done against these pirates. There could be pickup and drop off locations at each end of the transit routes through the piracy area. Ships entering the area would pickup crews and weaponry at one end and drop them off at the other. You wouldn't have to install really heavy ordnance. Lightweight 20mm and .50 cals (along with NVGs) would probably be enough. From the news reports I have read the Somali pilots are not heavily armed - basically just fast boats with AK-47s and RPGs.

Probably oversimplifying a bit but its worth considering. As for the pirates operating bases - can you say "ARCLIGHT?"

10 posted on 11/22/2008 11:07:58 PM PST by Captain Rhino (The best way to calm the delusions of grandeur in the energy cartel is to stop needing their energy)
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"...The tanker industry, however, is resisting any introduction of weaponry on vessels that are little more than floating petrol bombs..."

Didn't pirates set a French tanker on fire a couple of years ago?

We know where the pirates are: weaponry in the form of an oil tanker "Q-ship" would be very effective.

It would take an NGO to operate it, IMHO. (Like the SMS Seeadler mentioned earlier).

11 posted on 11/23/2008 2:03:27 AM PST by Does so (Schumer, with IndyMac, precipitated bank failures just in time for the 2008 election.)
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Slaughter the pirates, sink their ships and burn their port of origin to ashes. When it become economically feasible to engage in legal commerce over piracy, piracy will stop.

Only complete and total fools are compelled to repeat the lessons of history. Sadly, that includes about 52% of the American electorate if we count both real and imaginary votes.

12 posted on 11/23/2008 3:25:18 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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Intertanko, the oil tanker industry association, is against any arming of the ships.

Are they morons or just in the pay of the pirates. "Pirates, may I please have your attention? None of our ships are armed. If you try to take one, the crew will not resist and we will immediately pay 10% of the cargo's value. The next Intertanko ship to cruise through your waters will pass Somalia Tuesday afternoon."

"Daddy, what do you do at the office?"
"I'm an Intertanko executive. I grovel in front of pirates and then surrender. It's an important job."
"Gee, I can't wait until I'm big so I can grovel and surrender too!

13 posted on 11/23/2008 3:52:16 AM PST by MathDoc (War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Obama is Good.)
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The piracy case in Somalia is a perfect example of victim disarmament at sea. Most merchant ships are forbidden by their countries’ laws from having weapons on board (a ban which is enforced by rigorous inspections), which leaves a 20.000tn ship worth hundreds of million of dollars vulnerable to a pirate dinghy with a crew of five armed with AKs and RPGs worth a few hundred bucks. So do we allow owners to spend a few thousand dollars on weapons and private security on board? God forbid! No, much better to send a carrier group, or just nuke the high seas.
At present the war navies of India, Russia, Britain, the US, Malasya and a NATO taskforce are in the Gulf of Aden playing cat-and-mouse with a few Somali pirates. An EU fleet is on its way.


16 posted on 11/23/2008 5:09:31 AM PST by all the best
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