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Teens protest Chicago PD getting rifles
PoliceOne.com ^ | 11/22/2008 | Steve Schmadeke and Angela Rozas

Posted on 11/21/2008 8:58:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan

CHICAGO — Nearly 100 teens marched outside Chicago police headquarters Thursday night to protest the department''s plans to equip officers with semi-automatic rifles, saying the weapons could make the streets more dangerous.

Carrying signs like "Stop the War on Youth," teens said they didn''t trust police with the high-powered weapons and worried gangs would be encouraged to bolster their own arsenals.

"The only people who need these guns are in Iraq," said Arthur McGraw, 19, an organizer with the nonprofit Southwest Youth Collaborative, which organized the rally. "It''ll shoot through brick, car doors. Say your family is in the house eating and there''s some gang violence. When they shoot these [the bullets] can come into your house and shoot your kids."

Police spokeswoman Monique Bond said Thursday that though police have ordered and received some of the guns, police are not yet using them. Their use will be phased in over the next three years.

In April police Supt. Jody Weis said he wanted to equip all of the department''s officers with the high-powered weapons as part of an overall crime-fighting strategy, arguing that officers are outgunned on the streets. Officers currently carry pistols, and only SWAT officers carry rifles, M4 carbines.

Mayor Richard Daley publicly backed Weis'' plan, saying the rifles would put officers on equal footing with armed gangs and criminals.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; gangs; guns; leo; police; semiautomaticrifles
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To: writer33
Especially when you consider that Illinoisistan is one of only two states in the entire union that absolutely and categorically forbids CCW for it's law abiding citizens.

All of the states laws serve only to empower the lawbreakers and endanger the noncriminals.

What a sad state of affairs.

41 posted on 11/22/2008 3:46:50 AM PST by skimbell (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten either.)
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To: skimbell

What is the penalty for being caught with a handgun?


42 posted on 11/22/2008 3:54:48 AM PST by Boiling Pots (I'd be laughing if it wasn't going to be so expensive.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Sounds like these youts are Ayersbots.


43 posted on 11/22/2008 3:54:57 AM PST by Carley (Prayers for Sgt. Eddie Ryan)
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To: Sloth
Actually, one of the arguments made for the Police Special, was the limited penetrating power of the 0.38, the idea being that it limits dangers to bystanders. (Shotguns have the same virtue.)

I went to high school with the NYPD Police commissioner's daughter, so I took note of and remember his public pronouncements, including one,(circa 1970) in favor of the 0.38.

One big advantage of shotguns and semiautomatic rifles is intimidation. These kids understand this perfectly well.

Speaking of intimidation, my cousin retired after 20 years on the NYPD and never drew his weapon once. He's far from physically intimidating at 5’ 9” , 165#, he just knew how to deal with people. He ended his career as a lieutenant detective on the Manhattan District Attorney's homicide squad, so he was far from being a desk jockey.

44 posted on 11/22/2008 4:07:40 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: ansel12
Don’t ever leave your bullets and your SUV together with out supervision, you never know what mischief they may cook up.

OMG!! I'm in deep, smelly brown stuff. My loaded .357 lives in my Navigator's glove compartment. I also have a dog who's half American Bull Dog. Take me to Rededucation NOW!!

45 posted on 11/22/2008 5:33:38 AM PST by libstripper
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To: PotatoHeadMick
What was required in such an environment was a pistol or revolver firing aimed single shots with soft point ammo (again I stress I’m no expert) to take out the bad guy(s) but the cops preferred the “macho” look of the H&K’s.

I would think the level of over-penetration risk would be as much a function of the ammunition as the style of weapon. Higher velocity does not always translate to increased penetration. Further, I would think accuracy would be key to minimizing danger to bystanders. If guards can shoot a rifle or carbine more accurately than a pistol, I would think that would be a good thing.

Of course, I have no idea whether ammunition was chosen wisely.

46 posted on 11/22/2008 6:47:08 AM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: PLMerite
If you think people get upset when a cop makes a good shoot on a bad guy, wait until a child gets killed by a police ricochet or over-penetration by an assault rifle.

For some people, having a bad guy get shot is far worse than having an innocent get killed.

47 posted on 11/22/2008 6:51:45 AM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
It will be OK as long as they have adequate chicken wing and backwards magazine insertion training...


48 posted on 11/22/2008 6:58:44 AM PST by TNPatriot (No arsenal ... is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. -RR)
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To: TNPatriot

Dickless Tracy in action. She just needs to turn the gun around, then the magazine will be pointing in the right direction.


49 posted on 11/22/2008 7:05:34 AM PST by ScoochDude
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To: TheOgre
Wow. Those bullets come into your house and shoot your kids.

Bullets, SUVs. They're all evil!

50 posted on 11/22/2008 7:06:46 AM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: Spktyr

“The police should not be allowed to have
any weapons that those in their jurisdiction can’t have.”
- - -
Exactly correct.
If “they” have a need for them, then so do I.


51 posted on 11/22/2008 7:09:44 AM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Lose the zero, ok, so we know what you’re writing about. It’s a .38.


52 posted on 11/22/2008 7:11:20 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: TNPatriot
Cops with guns. You just can't make this $hit up.
53 posted on 11/22/2008 7:13:29 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
The manufacturers should put them on the bottom of the list.

I want to thank these kids for taking the lib talking points and using it against king daley and his thugs.

His thugs will probably “lose” a couple of crates anyway to the gangs.

54 posted on 11/22/2008 7:14:57 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Lose the zero,ok... I'd love to, but the people in their infinite wisdom have spoken.
55 posted on 11/22/2008 7:54:19 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

LOL


56 posted on 11/22/2008 7:55:05 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: BenLurkin
Nobody could be that dumb!

Well, not without Bill Ayers' education reforms they couldn't.

57 posted on 11/22/2008 9:16:47 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: rfreedom4u
Obey your parents.

You did see the thread where a guy was given a pistol by his mother, didn't you?

58 posted on 11/22/2008 9:20:29 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

MP5’s fire pistol rounds. Hence the “sub-” in submachinegun.


59 posted on 11/22/2008 9:23:28 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: TNPatriot

That girl is going to be really pissed one day when she has to pull the triger and hears nothing but a CLICK.


60 posted on 11/22/2008 9:25:07 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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