Posted on 11/16/2008 11:06:12 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
You can take it up when you return.
I worked for GM for years, hourly to salary.
Bring it on. I was an avid critic of policy and made corporate changes the hard way, from within.
I should have just referred you to post #4 and moved on.
BTW, if you don’t want to be “nice”, perhaps you can pm me. Not sure what you intended to say about me that would get you banned.
Have a nice time and please, take a cab. There appears to be a slight occurrence of thread drift.
Bet you voted too, didn’t you.
(I think I’m getting locked into an illogical logic loop)
go to
back
go to
back
end
And other companies will simply hire to pick up the slack.
It’s no use preserving “jobs” that are not producing anything people want to buy. In that case, you are simply handing out welfare checks and calling it a “job.”
Pelosi’s proposed $25B for the B3 automakers is slated to have $12B go to pay UAW union benefits to retirees. IOW, to people who already DO NOT HAVE AUTO JOBS.
Excerpt (link below):
Should we really bailout Big Three automakers with $73.20 per hour labor compared to Toyotas $48.00 per hour labor compared to $31.59 per hour for all other goods-producing labor in the U.S.?
[snip]
The chart above shows average hourly compensation for the Big Three ($73.20) and Toyota (TM) ($48.00), compared to average hourly compensation for Management and Professional Workers ($47.57), Manufacturing/Goods Producing ($31.59) and all workers ($28.48), data available here.
Should U.S. taxpayers really be providing billions of dollars to bailout companies (GM (GM), Ford (F) and Chrysler) that compensate their workers 52.5% more than the market (assuming Toyota wages and benefits are market), 54% more than management and professional workers, 132% more than the average manufacturing wage, and 157% more than the average compensation of all American workers?
Maybe the country would be better off in the long run if we let the Big Three fail, and in the process break the UAW labor monopoly, and then let Toyota, Honda (HMC) and Volkswagen (VLKAY.PK) take over the U.S. auto industry, and restore realistic, competitive, market wages to the industry. It might be the best long-run solution.
GM, Ford, and Chrysler do not make any essential war material.
We’d get ships and tanks from Northrop Grumman, United Defense, Lockheed, General Dynamics, etc., etc.
Per a study posted here last week, ***68%*** of the UAW voted for the Obamination.
So, yeah, most of the rank and file really does believe what the UAW heads are saying.
I too wish to punish the people that donated FOUR HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS to get Obama elected and that now turn around and whine about how they need a bailout and won’t make more concessions.
I want to see a public financial audit of the UAW. I want to see every single check they wrote.
Caterpillar broke the UAW and seems to be doing just fine now.
GM needs to declare bankruptcy and break the UAW as well. A lot of the regulations on manufacturing in this country is generated by people the unions put in office. *That* is the power that needs to be broken.
I think a better title/topic would be:
Why the Big Three Must Be Permitted to Fail
When that political philosophy aims to undermine the foundations of the republic? Hell yes!
I agree completely!!!!!!!!!!!! Do NOT support unions if you can help it. They OWN Chairman Zero!!!!!!!!
I would appreciate your opinion as to why Detroit, the once “Arsenal of Democracy” has been in a long term decline.
That is exactly what Ben Stine said and I agree. If the government gives them a loan with strings,ok. If they are going to tell them hey ok thanks see ya in six months then bankruptcy is the way for the automakers to go. I just hate seeing 3 million people lose their jobs. It’s time for the union people to wake up and change or go bankrupt. I want good American made cars. Not foreign companies. Don’t we have enough China crap. Where is the pride in American made products? Yea help them out but they must make changes,one being those at the top who are responsible.
The unions destroyed pride in USA-made goods. When the best made thing on a Moog suspension part is the UAW sticker (misspelt, of course) and even the Taiwanese counterpart looks better made, with the Japanese-made version looking like the rest of the car will fall apart before it does, that goes a LONG way towards destroying pride.
That said, I AM proud of what my countrymen here in the South make. Nissans, Toyotas, BMWs, Mercedes....
Not a bad idea.
They actual do, or used to, put out figures, but I never tried to figure them out.
Anecdotal, but consider the size of the UAW and then consider Al Sharptons financial situation with the IRS.
Who’s going to oversee it and how much will it cost.
Not saying either is proper, but in the real world...
Also, unless you (or I or anyone has a vested interest in the running of the union), I’m not sure we have bearing to ask for an accounting. Anymore than you or I would concerning any private business entity.
Should bail out money become involved, that is different.
On top of that the lay-offs would be comprised of the deadbeats who “can’t” be fired.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.