Posted on 11/16/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Then why are you even here posting comments and being active? If all is lost, just get drunk and do drugs until the communist dictatorship that you predict will happen arrives.
If an amnesty passes, I can envisage the political landscape of this country changing dramatically. I think the Reps should be going after Dem blue collar whites who are being affected the most by our out of control immigration policies. They have seen their wages depressed and a loss of jobs. And it is interesting to note that blacks have similar viewes as non-Hispanic whites on immigration. With a black unemployment rate of 11.1%, they are seeing their jobs being lost to illegals and immigrants.
“The GOP should be winning the Asian voters. The fact that we arent is a testament to our inability to market, outreach and do politics the old-fashioned way, person to person.”
You are hopelessly naive.
The fact that we aren’t “winning the Asian voters” is but one more illustration of the truth that Euros are so hopelessly blind and optimistic that we still believe that EVERYone and ANYone can be persuaded to our political values if only we present our message to them in its best light.
If anything, the fact that Asians, too, are rejecting the GOP and the brand of “traditional American conservatism” only serves to underscore the hard truth that that paradigm of conservatism seems to appeal naturally to only one demographic group.
Do you know which group that is?
- John
Nah.
Read “Leave us Alone” by Grover Norquist.
“None of this changes the fact that nobody on this thread has offered suggestions for how to broader the coalition. The demographics of this country have changes and will continue to do so. You either adapt or die”
Your point is well taken, but let me ask:
What if the hard truth is that that “coalition” _can’t_ be “broadened” because the vast majority of non-Euros simply aren’t interested in that particular brand of “conservatism” that Euros have to offer?
What if to “adapt” would fundamentally destroy the value system that we hold dear?
- John
The demographic changes that will hurt Republicans will be primarily in states like Cali, NY, NJ, & FL. As they become more Democratic and the Democrat party becomes more liberal, the GOP will become stronger in states like Arkansas, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin and elsewhere where the demographic changes will not be as severe. All of those states have Democrat senators and congressmen that can and will be defeated as the Democrat party becomes more beholden to a hundred different interest groups and minority groups.
find later
I still think that we are entering into a liberal/statist era on both sides of the aisle not seen since the New Deal coalition that created the dominant political paradigm from the 1930s until the early 1970s. When such a movement becomes too excessive, a new conservatism will rise in response. It could be between secular moderates/libertarians against statist lower class Xians (who will be predominantly of color), it could be coastals vs. heartlanders, etc. We could see the American equivalent of Pim Fortyn, ie a homosexual taking the lead against the reactionary values of "Americans of color" and/or immigrants. We could see a hard money movement versus a fiat money movement, etc.
My point is that "conservatism" as a comprehensive philosophical movement has always changed along with the nations/polities associated with it. It is by its nature a reactive and dynamic movement, rather than an unchanging one.
None of this changes the fact that us libertarians are screwed under either party for the foreseeable future.
Fatalism is fatal to success.
You speak the truth. Unfortunately, only 5% of even this audience is ready to grasp what you are repeatedly saying. Think of what type of reassessment it would entail, and what degree of cognitive dissonance prevents the enlightenment.
BTW, did the mods ever give you a reason for having your post(s) pulled? I saw one that got pulled and, compared to others, the process seemed arbitrary. I’m not looking to make a fracas or draw attention; rather, I’ve been known to say very similar things, or at least hang around the fringe/end of the status quo stuff. I haven’t been “pulled” yet— nor do I want to.
How do you define “traditional American conservatism?”
I'm pretty much with you and Pat Buchanan except on throwing Israel to the wolves. Same wolves who are devouring Europe. If they eat Israel they will be really ravenous and come after you and if not you then your children and grandchildren
I am not in favor of throwing Israel to the wolves. However, I believe that when our national interests diverge, our interests [US] should come first. In the past, it has been the tail wagging the dog when it comes to US national interests in the Middle East.
Only a foolish globalist would support driving an entire industry out of business. Only a foreign car loving anti-American swine would support a foreign competitor over his/her own country.
Only a really retarded individual would fail to understand the economic realities that we face in this country-millions of jobs lost in this fragile ( I suggest you rent Cinderella Man-help you get ready for the really hard times coming your way) economic situation will cause a depression. Only a complete moron would not understand that the GOP will lose the Mid West, thus remaining in the minority for a generation. I love my country more than I hate losing an election-try acting like an American instead of a American hating....figure it out.
bttt
If the big three go say goodbye to the economy for at least 10 years. Yes, we can and will have a depression which will be called the Republican depression.
It will save at least 5 million jobs and probably when all is said and done 10 million. Hatred blinds people to reality; this is apparent.
Your words have no meaning...we are not discussing economics. We are in the worst economic crisis of our time. The old idea are meaningless at the moment. We must stave off financial meltdown.
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