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To: Clioman

I know nothing about it, but it sounds like a similar suit to the one that has been promoted to the Supreme Court in which a Sec. of State hasn’t vetting the presidential nominee.

If Obama and McCain were found to not be “natural born,” as neither were born on US soil, the Libetarian candiate, Barr, could be said to be the rightful president. Of course, Keyes was behind Barr on the overall vote tally, but at least he would be someone the Electoral College would be able to debate over, or the Congress could debate over, if not the Congress in each state, prior to naming its choice for President.


11 posted on 11/14/2008 12:34:47 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Concerning Larry Sinclair: It is strange when you can be thankful for having a pervert on your side.)
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To: ConservativeMind

But as a candidate, Keyes may have the “standing’ that Berg lacked.


15 posted on 11/14/2008 12:36:15 PM PST by Troll_House_Cookies (Ironically, Chancellor Obama's first re-education camp will be in Alaska.)
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To: ConservativeMind

The only way Barr could get in is if he received an electoral vote and no other qualified candidate received an electoral vote. If Obama were disqualified between now and the time the Electors vote, then the Democrat electors would vote for Hillary or Biden (most likely the party leaders would pick a replacement nominee so all their electors could vote for him/her and avoid a nasty House fight).


28 posted on 11/14/2008 12:40:02 PM PST by bobjam
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To: ConservativeMind

If Obama and McCain were found to not be “natural born,” as neither were born on US soil, the Libetarian candiate, Barr, could be said to be the rightful president. Of course, Keyes was behind Barr on the overall vote tally, but at least he would be someone the Electoral College would be able to debate over, or the Congress could debate over, if not the Congress in each state, prior to naming its choice for President.


What are you proposing?..... That the XX Amendment, Sec. 3 of the US Constitution just be thown out the window?


44 posted on 11/14/2008 12:51:20 PM PST by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: ConservativeMind
"If Obama and McCain were found to not be “natural born,” as neither were born on US soil, the Libetarian candiate, Barr, could be said to be the rightful president. Of course, Keyes was behind Barr on the overall vote tally, but at least he would be someone the Electoral College would be able to debate over, or the Congress could debate over, if not the Congress in each state, prior to naming its choice for President."

Being born on a military base in Panama (which is still US soil, just as an embassy is), versus being born in Kenya (accusation on Obama) are totally different issues.

51 posted on 11/14/2008 12:54:45 PM PST by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: ConservativeMind

McCain has already been vetted. Even though he was not born on US soil, his father was stationed in Panama, I believe. Military personnel that are stationed out of the country that have children, the child is still viewed as a citizen..........something like that.


54 posted on 11/14/2008 12:56:49 PM PST by RC2
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To: ConservativeMind
If Obama and McCain were found to not be “natural born,” as neither were born on US soil, the Libetarian candiate, Barr, could be said to be the rightful president.

Nader got more votes than Barr did.

Doesn't matter. It's a moot point. Obama will be inaugurated on January 20th.

141 posted on 11/14/2008 1:33:31 PM PST by Drew68
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To: ConservativeMind
McCain has already gone through all the proper procedures, produced his certificate of live birth, and he is, without question, a natural born citizen. His parents were in Panama, his father was there on military duty. They were living on a military base, and both were natural citizens.

Obama has never produced his.

159 posted on 11/14/2008 1:39:03 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: ConservativeMind

Barr, could be said to be the rightful president.””

Don’t know how you can put Barr ahead of John McCain. He is the next highest vote-getter.


211 posted on 11/14/2008 2:11:38 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ConservativeMind

McCain’s eligibility to run for and become had he won POTUS has already been established. He was born to two US Citizens in the Panama Canal Zone in a Military Hospital. The Panama Canal Zone was a US Territory at the time, I believe.

AND McCain has submitted his birth certificate.

The only one with the problem is Barry Dunham Sotoro aka Obama. Even IF he’s a Natural Born US Citizen, which I doubt because of Constitutional Law in effect when he was born, I believe the name on his Birth Certificate is still Barry Dunham So(e)toro and not Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

It is possible he ran for office as “Barak Hussein Obama” and not with his legal name. It’s okay if he’s gone through the legality of changing his name, but I do not believe he did.

Barack Obama is a fabrication of Barry Sotoro’s mind. He’s headed for a nice little mental meltdown because it’s all going to catch up with him at some point.

Barack Obama doesn’t exist, but Barry Sotoro does. Did we vote for the person? Or the name?

The OTHER potentially harmful or embarrassing item may be that Mama Stanley Ann Dunham listed his race as WHITE.

Now THAT will be something he’ll have a hard time living down. And his ‘homies’ are not going to appreciate being lied to by ‘whitey’ — All that Affirmative Action stuff he got will need to be returned.

He may be just a well tanned White Boy named Barry after all.


224 posted on 11/14/2008 2:15:45 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Psalm 66:7b "He watches every movement of the nations. Rebels will not be able to oppose Him.")
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To: ConservativeMind

A state attorney told me that Biden would be President. I don’t think anyone really knows what will happen. He should not have been allowed to run for office if he isn’t natural born but it’s a bit late for that.


371 posted on 11/14/2008 4:11:54 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: ConservativeMind
By law children born to US Military stationed overseas are citizens at birth. Almost any child of a US citizen is automatically a citizen except in some pretty uncommon circumstances which relate to the citizen parent's residency prior to the birth of the child. Obama’s mother was too young to have fulfilled those requirements at the time of his birth, so, if Obama was born in Kenya, he is not constitutionally qualified. That does not apply to McCain.

Since we did not vote for the candidates, but instead for slates of electors, the Rat ticket is still the winner. If, before the Electors convene, Obama is found to be ineligible for the office, the Electors will simply vote for Biden. If Obama is found to be ineligible after the Electors convene, then Obama will not be allowed to take the office and it will again be Biden. If Obama is found to be ineligible after he takes office, he would be removed and it would be Biden again.

Some states require that the Electors vote according to the results of the popular vote and some do not. If it were discovered that Obama could not be President then this might create a situation where some of the Electors voted for Obama and some for Biden. No matter how they split Biden still ends up President if Obama isn't eligible, unless the Electors are simply not allowed in which case McCain might be elected (and the second American Civil War starts). Then there would be the law suits about Obama Electors belonging to Biden, etc.

There is no rational scenario under which anyone other than Obama, Biden, maybe McCain or possibly Pelosi (born in Baltimore) becomes our next President. There are two types of citizens. Natural born (born a citizen) or Naturalized (became a citizen some time after birth). The definition of who is natural born has been refined over the years, even as far back as the late 18th century, but the founders clearly had it in mind that children would be born to US citizens while they were in foreign countries and that these children would be considered natural born. There were gender based rules (father vs. parent) for the citizen parent that have been eliminated and residency rules that have been greatly relaxed.

406 posted on 11/14/2008 5:08:13 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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