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To: ConservativeMind
"If Obama and McCain were found to not be “natural born,” as neither were born on US soil, the Libetarian candiate, Barr, could be said to be the rightful president. Of course, Keyes was behind Barr on the overall vote tally, but at least he would be someone the Electoral College would be able to debate over, or the Congress could debate over, if not the Congress in each state, prior to naming its choice for President."

Being born on a military base in Panama (which is still US soil, just as an embassy is), versus being born in Kenya (accusation on Obama) are totally different issues.

51 posted on 11/14/2008 12:54:45 PM PST by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: AgThorn
"Being born on a military base in Panama (which is still US soil, just as an embassy is), versus being born in Kenya (accusation on Obama) are totally different issues."

Also, McCain's parents were both US citizens of majority age. Neither of Obama's parents meet that standard.

125 posted on 11/14/2008 1:27:22 PM PST by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: AgThorn
Being born on a military base in Panama (which is still US soil, just as an embassy is),

No, it is not. There is legal argument in the case of McCain's birth. Besides he, as I understand it, was born of base at a civilian hospital.

209 posted on 11/14/2008 2:10:46 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: AgThorn
Being born on a military base in Panama

His certification of birth shows he was born in Colon Panama. But that's irrellevant. What's important is that both of his parents were US Citizens at the time. That is enough to make him a Natural Born Citizen. And was at that time as well as now.

Someone born to non citizens on a US Military base (it happens) is not a citizen at birth. If only one parent is a US Citizen, then there are rules, based in law, that determine citizenship at birth. Obama's mother did not meet the criteria, and he would only be a US citizen at birth if he was born in the US. It all comes down to that. It's easy to prove, if one has a certified copy of the birth certificate. A hard copy, not a web image to present. Obama has declined to present such a hard copy to anyone who is challenging his status. One can only speculate why, but the most obvious reason is.. well.. obvious.

623 posted on 11/15/2008 8:44:42 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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