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Auto Bailout May Affect Wagoner's Future at GM (Unions Negotiating with Barney Frank )
WSJ ^ | 111208 | MATTHEW DOLAN and ALEX P. KELLOGG

Posted on 11/12/2008 3:37:20 PM PST by Fred

Rick Wagoner's future as chief executive of General Motors Corp. may hinge in large part on what kind of bailout the ailing auto maker gets from the U.S. government.

Momentum is building in Washington to provide financial help for the auto industry and Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House of Representatives, plans to push for legislation next week to give "emergency assistance" to auto makers in a lame-duck session of Congress.

Three big financial institutions that got federal bailouts -- including insurer American International Group Inc. and home-lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- had to replace their top executives as part of terms worked out with the Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.

Mr. Wagoner said earlier this week he sees no reason to resign, telling Automotive News that "it's not clear to me what purpose would be served."

On Wednesday, Tony Cervone, a GM spokesman said "it doesn't do anybody any good to speculate" on conditions the government might tie to financial help. "We have been careful not to be prescriptive with respect to terms of any loan program, but we do believe in the restructuring GM has undergone and don't believe it would be constructive to make a management change."

The question of replacing management may be less pertinent at Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC because those companies brought in new CEOs from outside the industry in the last two years. Also Ford said it is preparing for the future without counting on additional governmental loans while GM has said they're necessary for survival, raising deeper questions about decisions made by its current leadership.

On Wednesday, House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank said that the CEOs of the Big Three auto makers, and the United Auto Workers, have been invited to attend a hearing on an aid

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1 posted on 11/12/2008 3:37:20 PM PST by Fred
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To: Fred; grellis
UAW chief urges $25 bln in U.S. auto health care support (Union bailout-payback for $400,000,000)

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Why Doesn't Toyota USA Need A Bailout?

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2 posted on 11/12/2008 3:39:32 PM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and BO is a WHINING marxist)
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To: Fred

Dealing with Frank? I imagine its all under the table...so to speak.


3 posted on 11/12/2008 3:39:47 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Fred

Bush should tell the dems that he won’t sign any bailout deal unless it involves reworking the union contracts that constitute a major component of the problem facing the automakers in the first place.


4 posted on 11/12/2008 3:40:33 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Fred
Mr. Wagoner said earlier this week he sees no reason to resign, telling Automotive News that "it's not clear to me what purpose would be served."

Wagoner has no concept of what a worthless piece of dog dung is.

5 posted on 11/12/2008 3:40:35 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: Fred
NO BAILOUT!!! NOT ONE RED CENT!!
6 posted on 11/12/2008 3:41:24 PM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Fred

This is mainly a rescue package to bail out Auto unions.

The current model at US car manufacturers is broken and unsustainable. They need to go bankrupt and the new owners need to void all union contracts and fire all the top executives without giving them golden parachutes.

Anything else is good money down the rat hole.


7 posted on 11/12/2008 3:42:48 PM PST by ajay_kumar (President elect Obama, we will be watching you!)
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To: VRWCmember
Bush should tell the dems that he won’t sign any bailout deal unless it involves reworking the union contracts that constitute a major component of the problem facing the automakers in the first place.

I think that would require a small amount of backbone. So it's not going to happen. Bush is more apt to throw the tax payer under the bus, for a trade deal that would lower peoples income and move more business out of the country.

8 posted on 11/12/2008 3:43:10 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: Fred
There is no end to this crap. America if finished and we have the Democrats to thank for that. The Dodd’s, Franks, Pelosi, and Reid. Now we have the communist Obama. These next 4 years of throwing money at failed and corrupt companies and rewarding the ones that caused it is a shame.
9 posted on 11/12/2008 3:43:18 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Fred
At this point, I am just grateful that the government figured out that losing a million+ jobs with the demise of GM would push the economy over the edge into a depression. I love it that AIG, Goldman Sachs are to big to fail. Companies that produce nothing, but people feel that manufacturing, which produces a tangible assets, should be let go. That does not even mention, God forbid, the possibility of a war. who will produce our armaments?
10 posted on 11/12/2008 3:49:07 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: Logical me

It can’t be that easy. If we throw money at GM don’t you think the Japanese, French and Germans will sue for trade damages?

It is silly to subsidize bloated payroll lists when Michigan unemployment is at 9% and heading higher. Let the labor rates sort themselves out in the market. In the south they are building better cars for 25% less cost than in Michigan.


11 posted on 11/12/2008 3:50:36 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Fred

Hey maybe Obama can appoint Peggy the Moocher CEO of GM. Then she really wouldn’t have to pay for gas.


12 posted on 11/12/2008 3:53:17 PM PST by Argus (Stuff Compassionate and Maverick - just try plain old CONSERVATISM again)
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To: bronxboy

You think its going to help?

GM can keep building cars, but who is going to buy them? GM employees? Almost nobody else can get a damn car loan, probably 1/3 of the car dealers will be out of business in the next 12 months and there will be a glut of new cars siting on vacant lots that few will even want to buy if they could.

But GM will keep making more cars with US Treasury dollars? Makes no sense.


13 posted on 11/12/2008 3:53:30 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
But GM will keep making more cars with US Treasury dollars? Makes no sense.

No they won't, they have to pay the workers whether or not they are making cars (so says the union contract) but they don't have to buy the materials. So the UAW employees will sit on their asses collecting our tax dollars and not produce a single f'in car.

14 posted on 11/12/2008 4:02:38 PM PST by JrsyJack
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To: pissant

Under the Table? I rather imagine it will be behind the back...your back, my back...everyone’s back...

I guess the DhimmiRats found such success in creating a couple of generations of entitlement driven voters that they will now start on corporations. Unions have been in the LibTards’ pockets for many years, anyway.


15 posted on 11/12/2008 4:08:15 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: Fred

bahney fwank et al can’t effectively run their own lives, And everything in America, except feeding my cat, has been turned over to them.

The sooner this all disintegrates, the better.


16 posted on 11/12/2008 4:14:44 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: pissant

Barney is lobbying for a bigger stick shift.


17 posted on 11/12/2008 4:37:30 PM PST by pointsal
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To: monkeyshine

There is a market out there...GM builds some good cars. Some of the new ones coming out in the next year or two are wonderful. What makes you believe that an American worker can’t build a great car. Do you hate your country and fellow citizens that much? I remember a time when Americans were proud of their country and business. Also, if the big three fail prepare for huge price increases for cars. Hopefully this will not happen.

There are millions of jobs at stake here. GM has been struggling, but it is the credit crisis caused by our Wall Street buddies that pushed it to the edge. You don’t seem to understand. The kind of job losses we will see if GM and other companies fail will cause another depression. The economy will literally melt-probably deflation will be the problem. This is a much worse economic situation then inflation.

Again, aside from my job, I do not believe a great country can remain great without a thriving manufacturing base. Look where the areas of growth are in the world, and you will find a healthy manufacturing segment. America will not remain a great economic power and will not be able to afford the weaponry needed to remain a great military power with a service economy. Serving hamburgers to one another will not work in the long run. Also, if millions of manufacturing jobs are lost, what jobs will replace them? Will we have a European type permanently unemployed class? If so, prepare for socialism. People will demand the government provide them with health care and other benefits they used to provide themselves by the sweat of their brow.

I believe America is the greatest country on earth. American workers are the best also. Believe me, there are some really good decent men and women who work for GM on the line and in management who can build wonderful cars. Of course, you are too good to drive an American car apparently-judging from your post. You think foreign is always best- a self hating American. This is not a patriotic attitude, and it’s really bad for our country.


18 posted on 11/12/2008 5:41:49 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: monkeyshine

Sorry, I missed the part about car loans. some dealerships are providing loans. They are self financed. However, this is why money is being given to non-banking loan companies. Banks are hoarding money and won’t make loans. Paulson is going to give the money to basically credit companies who will take more risk. He has to get liquidity in the market or we are all sunk.


19 posted on 11/12/2008 5:44:32 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: bronxboy

I don’t think my patriotism is at question. I went to a Dodge dealership, the car I like is 70% German. The Dodge Charger! An American classic.

It has nothing to do with patriotism it was, as you later noted, a question of personal finance. I live in California, where inflation is approaching 8% and will probably increase 50% in the next year. I know a guy who makes $100k a year, he couldn’t get a car loan for a Buick. The dealer said “sorry man, we would do if we could, but our lenders don’t have the cash”.

I just think the whole is greater than the sum of the parts in this case. With 12% unemployment fewer cars will be sold. With loans hard to get its even worse. But with a slow economy, people will likely prefer to hang onto their old car longer. Why buy a new car when you are a little scared, or a little embarrassed to show off.

I am seriously concerned. I recognize whats Paulson is doing with the latest loan scheme. But this abrupt turnabout sure doesn’t instill confidence in our leaders when they change their minds on important issues like this. Expect the stock market to shed another 500 points... maybe more.


20 posted on 11/12/2008 5:57:44 PM PST by monkeyshine
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