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1 posted on 11/12/2008 7:29:53 AM PST by NinoFan
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Unbelievable that this even COMES before the USSC.


2 posted on 11/12/2008 7:32:15 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: NinoFan

What real double blind studies exist indicating sonar harms marine mammals.

Studies by GreenPeace or other such are not admissible.


3 posted on 11/12/2008 7:32:58 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Save America......... put out lots of waferin)
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To: NinoFan
Those added measures would have required the Navy to stop its sonar exercises when the threat to mammals was deemed imminent.

Which is impossible to judge, so this is foolishness.

4 posted on 11/12/2008 7:36:17 AM PST by doodad
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To: NinoFan

The Navy should train while it last, the Supreme Court is about to get a lot more radical in the near future.


5 posted on 11/12/2008 7:36:45 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: NinoFan

This calls for a PING ping.


8 posted on 11/12/2008 7:42:01 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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even though the technology threatens marine life

Threatens? In what way?

It makes noises they may not like, or they may love the noise. Who knows? Whales can't talk to us, despite goofy hippy wishes.

11 posted on 11/12/2008 7:46:40 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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12 posted on 11/12/2008 7:48:26 AM PST by SmithL (Drill Dammit!)
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The Navy of the future is here today.
14 posted on 11/12/2008 7:49:28 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Aleutica, the new name of Free Alaska)
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To: NinoFan

What?.....A sense of sanity from the supreme court?


15 posted on 11/12/2008 7:49:34 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: NinoFan

Good thing they got it in when they did. Four years from now, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Obummer saw to it the Navy got welded to the pier.


17 posted on 11/12/2008 7:57:14 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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We can look forward to these narrow conservative rulings instead of a clear-cut conservative rulings thanks to Obama.

There is NO WAY Ginsburg or Stevens will not either die or retire in the next 4 years. Just no way.

We were so close to finally getting a conservative court, and that is what I will regret most about Obama winning, at least so far....

Hopefully nobody will retire or die on the conservative side, even Kennedy. If Kennedy leaves, he will be replaced by a die-hard liberal, and the court will switch from narrow conservative/moderate to narrow liberal, but they will win every time, not just sometimes like present....


19 posted on 11/12/2008 8:00:10 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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US SC decision in Winter v. National Resources Defense Council

For the record, the USSC merely overturned the grant of a preliminary injunction against the Navy. Second the dissent was principally Ginsberg and Souter. Breyer's dissent is very different and he does not uphold the original injunction at all.

20 posted on 11/12/2008 8:06:32 AM PST by AndyJackson
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>Roberts wrote that “the Navy’s need to conduct realistic training with active sonar to respond to the threat posed by enemy submarines plainly outweighs” the environmental concerns raised by advocacy groups.

And he is correct. He should also note that these so-called “advocacy groups” advocate the destruction of America.

They can leave anytime...if another country will have them.


22 posted on 11/12/2008 8:10:08 AM PST by soycd
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Here's the heart of the decision:

The court did not deal with the merits of the claims put forward by the environmental groups. It said, rather, that federal courts abused their discretion by ordering the Navy to limit sonar use in some cases and to turn it off altogether in others.

AP via SFGate

26 posted on 11/12/2008 8:17:18 AM PST by SmithL (Drill Dammit!)
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even though the technology threatens marine life

Chinese and Russian technology threaten human life. Gee, thanks for actually letting us defend it

/s

31 posted on 11/12/2008 8:52:05 AM PST by montag813 (www.FreepShop.com)
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...until the Navy took additional measures to mitigate the threat to whales, dolphines and other...

...cute, cuddly animals.

35 posted on 11/12/2008 9:04:52 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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Roberts wrote that “the Navy’s need to conduct realistic training with active sonar to respond to the threat posed by enemy submarines plainly outweighs” the environmental concerns raised by advocacy groups.

Precisely.

What is unsaid is that everyone involved (save for community organizees) must know (or reasonably suspect) that this has NOTHING to do with whales and EVERYTHING to do with attempting to weaken the defense and military of the U. S.

36 posted on 11/12/2008 9:39:45 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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Of course, if the court had gone the other way, or if a future Congress passes a law to protect the whales, guess where the Navy will do its sonar thing?


38 posted on 11/12/2008 10:12:15 AM PST by dbz77
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