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Barr Votes Would Have Given GOP Wins in North Carolin and Indiana

Posted on 11/10/2008 12:33:31 PM PST by BlueStateBlues

If Barr's votes had gone to Palin and her running mate they would have won North Carolina and Indiana. North Carolina: Obama 49.9%, Palin 49.5%, Barr 0.6$ Indiana Obama 49.9%, Palin 49%, Barr 1.1% This would have been more important in a closer election, but it caught my interest when I looked the figures up.


TOPICS: US: Indiana; US: North Carolina; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bobbarr; in2008; libertarianparty; lp; nc2008; professionalspoilers; sideshowbob; thirdparty
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
So what’s the GOP going to do about it? Piss and moan or move towards true traditional conservatism?

I hope so. I'll be pushing.

121 posted on 11/10/2008 2:02:15 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: BlueStateBlues

Barr took a lot more than Nader, but the Catholics crossing over to vote for pro-death Obama eclipse them both.


122 posted on 11/10/2008 2:03:09 PM PST by Ingtar (For the first time in my adult life, I am NOT proud of America.)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
The answer is that they need a clearly superior alternative.

Any version of Republicanism extant today is clearly superior to Marxism. That is my point in a nutshell.

You simply keep repeating that the GOP is not a party of limited government.

Again, what evidence do you have that people WANTED to vote for limited government in this election?

If, as you posit, voters actually want limited government, there is no logic to them voting not only for unlimited government in Obama, but for a clear redistributionist.

It's nutty to think people who voted for free cotton candy actually would have wanted to vote for broccoli, even though it's much healthier for them.

As I said, the problem here is not the candidate or the message. The Republican message was clearly superior to Obama's message. If that didn't attract people, then we have a lot of work to do in educating our fellow citizens.

But continuing to focus on the party and the candidate as if that will magically make people not vote for "free cotton candy" when it's offered is absurd.

Until the masses accept that there is no such thing as "free" cotton candy---that everything they receive from the government comes at the price of liberty---AND they dedicate themselves to preserving liberty, rather than being willing to trade it for bread and circuses----there is NOTHING ANY candidate or party can do to make limited government attractive to them.

You're just repeating your wishful thinking that "if only the GOP offered true limited government," voters would flock to it.

NOT HARDLY.

Until we grow the mindset changes I set out above, "free" candy will now continue to win every time.

123 posted on 11/10/2008 2:06:09 PM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

WARNING, WARNING, LOGIC ALERT.

BTTT.


124 posted on 11/10/2008 2:07:11 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (On the "Road to Surfdom"is no longer a question.)
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To: Kitanis

At least the Republicans actually have a chance to win an election. That’s the difference. Like it or not, we are a two party nation. Third parties like the Losertarians do nothing except dilute the conservative opposition to the Democrats. They act like spoiled children whenever a political party is not 100% pure in their eyes.


125 posted on 11/10/2008 2:08:21 PM PST by kesg
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Had the GOP ran a real conservative....this would never be an issue.

Had the GOP run a real conservative, he would have lost just as badly if not worse than McCain.

Because it wasn't about McCain. It was about Obama and the gimme segment being out in force.

When a majority of voters vote for a known redistributionist and radical, there's no way it matters what stripe of Republican he was running against.

126 posted on 11/10/2008 2:10:36 PM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: SoCalPol
These third party loons have the same views as Obama...

Well, yeah... excepting private property Rights, Second Amendment Rights, taxation, freedom of religion, smaller more limited government...

127 posted on 11/10/2008 2:11:07 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Publius Valerius

Wrong.

The Republican-held congress struggled to get a “welfare to work” bill passed. It was considerd a “huge” step in the right direction even though it did essentially nothing or lasting.


128 posted on 11/10/2008 2:12:02 PM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: fightinJAG

You’re military. So, you understand when one guy in a platoon screws up, the whole platoon is punished. Well, almost 60 million Americans voted for Obama. We get the government we deserve.


129 posted on 11/10/2008 2:12:25 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: kesg
Utter BS. RINO's themselves are to blame for "diluting" the conservative message.

One McCain-Feingold does more damage to the GOP than a dozen Bob Barr's ever could.

130 posted on 11/10/2008 2:12:26 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: fightinJAG

I won’t waste another vote on the piece of garbage if he’s stupid ebough to inflict another run on us.


131 posted on 11/10/2008 2:14:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: King of Florida

Maybe. There’d need to be a detailed analysis and comparison to 2004 looking at all sorts of demographics to see how decisive it actually was.


132 posted on 11/10/2008 2:20:31 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: fightinJAG

I don’t have the words to describe how strongly and absolutely I agree with you. Yes, we need to recruit and nominate prinicpled conservatives, but the reason is PRECISELY because they have a better chance of winning than RINOs. Losertarians are losertarians precisely because they don’t care about winning elections, only about not voting for someone with whom they don’t agree 100% or thereabouts. They then go around being perpetually miserable and insufferable regarding the national political situation. They remind me of Philadelphia Flyers fans. Not good.


133 posted on 11/10/2008 2:22:04 PM PST by kesg
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To: Publius Valerius

I’ll agree with you that McCain lost a step on the economy because of the myth that Rats are “better on the economy” and because the crisis happened on Bush’s watch.

That said, that goes nowhere near far enough to explain the outcome of this election. Many people DID process Obama’s redistributionist message and ran to it. It clearly boosted turnout. Think about that: Americans running to vote for socialism. Yes, it happened and there’s not a damn thing any Republican, with any kind of even sort of Republican message, could have done about it.

Besides “spreading the wealth,” there were plenty of reasons to be concerned about Obama as President. But people either wanted “mo money” from the government (explicitly wanted the enlargement of the welfare state) or they were scared by the economy and explicitly wanted the government to take care of them.

IOW, this was more than simply thinking the economy was Bush/McCain’s failure of management.

On some level, people did process the idea that they wanted government control of the economy, either because they believe in socialist ideas or because they were scared and threw caution to the wind in exchange, in their minds, for saving their own behinds.

People knew, or had every opportunity to know, that Obama was a Marxist (shorthand for all his views). Nevertheless, they chose to vote for that.

How could any message of limited government, by any candidate, possibly have dissuaded them from their desire to have the government “do more” in these times?


134 posted on 11/10/2008 2:22:31 PM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: BlueStateBlues

Bob Barr didn’t matter. Jeremiah Wright did. As in McCain’s refusal to bring Wright up in each debate as Exhibit A in Obama’s defective character.


135 posted on 11/10/2008 2:23:46 PM PST by montag813 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: BlueStateBlues

If only Democrats had all stayed home, we would have won!


136 posted on 11/10/2008 2:23:50 PM PST by nosofar
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To: Villiany_Inc

Thanks a lot to you and your brother for helping elect Obama.

Using one’s vote as a protest is about as dumb as it gets.

Also even if your state’s EC vote was going for Obama, wasting your vote helped increase Obama’s margin in the national popular vote.


137 posted on 11/10/2008 2:25:01 PM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: fightinJAG
Any version of Republicanism extant today is clearly superior to Marxism.

To you. First of all, most people don't think Barack Obama is a Marxist. Even I don't think he's a Marxist, in the sense that he rigorously follows The Communist Manifesto. I think he's a left-liberal Establishment statist who, at best, is a muddled little fool, at worst, a true authoritarian. Secondly, no it's not clear to everyone that "any version of Republicanism" statism is superior his version of liberal Democratic statism, especially after eight years of Bush.

You simply keep repeating that the GOP is not a party of limited government.

It isn't! Please don't tell me that you think it is. Fact: government spending increased more under the Bushes and Reagan than under Clinton. That's not a apology for Clinton; it's just the fact of the record.

...what evidence do you have that people WANTED to vote for limited government in this election?

Perhaps it's mere faith in mankind, but I sincerely believe that the people are starved for freedom. However, part of the problem is that it's been so long since consistent pro-freedom rhetoric has existed in the mainstream discourse that people often do not know it when they here it. If the GOP were to ever present and promote a clear and consistent pro-freedom candidate, I think it's much more likely that the message would take hold and that they would win. As it is, they tend to shut out such candidates.

It's nutty to think people who voted for free cotton candy actually would have wanted to vote for broccoli...

McCain was promising plenty of "free cotton candy" himself. What, you think he was holding himself up as a free market libertarian? If all you say is true, it seems like you think that the GOP should deliberately promise voters more "cotton candy" in order to prevent the "Marxists" from acquiring power. I promise you that that would be (has been) the death of conservatism in this country.
138 posted on 11/10/2008 2:26:01 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

The “Republican Party”?

Who is the Republican Party?

Did they hold a gun to your head and force you to not vote to defeat Obama?


139 posted on 11/10/2008 2:26:47 PM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: fightinJAG
How could any message of limited government, by any candidate, possibly have dissuaded them from their desire to have the government “do more” in these times?

Times were worse in 1979 and Reagan did it. He not only espoused Conservatism, be believed in it. That's how you do it.

140 posted on 11/10/2008 2:26:54 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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