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This looks interesting. Maybe something will come from all of our efforts after all.

By the way, I wanted to pass this one by you guys. Someone posted it on my intrade thread. The jist of it seems to be, how can 2 Honolulu newspapers, print identical lists if Obama’s birth announcement was supposedly paid for?

http://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/240/2279.page

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In the page that Delphi linked (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php) the images are small, but if you click on the image it shows a larger image.

These are ...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

One thing you will notice if you look at the full list - they are identical.

So two Honolulu newspapers, printing an identical lists? How does that happen? Maybe they are owned by the same people? I checked - they weren’t - they were rivals until May 1962 (http://www.altlaw.org/v1/cases/1065427)

So they must have had the same source ... A little more digging and it turns out that they do ...

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/#comment-12154

Hi, I’ve talked to the Department of Vital Records and the Honolulu Advertiser.In 1961, the hospitals would take their new birth certificates to Vital Records. At the end of the week, Vital Records would post a sheet that for the news paper to pick up that contained births, deaths, marriages and divorces. The Advertiser routinely printed this information in their Sunday edition. This is not a paid announcement that his grandmother could arrange. This is information that comes from Vital Records - we know this because this particular section reflects those records. They didn’t have a provision for paid, one sentence announcement that would be included in the Vital Records. At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife. Of course, they can apply later but that would noted as a different kind of birth certificate. I think TD has already addressed that. This information was received by Vital Records the first week of his birth = that suggests the hospital.

Next, the announcement is from Sunday, August 13th and Obama was born on Friday, August 4th. Hospitals usually don’t take birth certificate information the first couple days to avoid changes. So it was likely filled out on the 4th or so, as hospital stays were usually 3 - 5 days at the time. Lastly, having worked in a newborn nursery in college, hospitals don’t ask for documentation. If mom says she’s married, that’s what they write. They have no authority to question her statement.

In Honolulu at the time, paid birth announcements weren’t in vogue. Frequently families would post one year announcements that included pictures from the party, etc. I haven’t checked to see if that exists.

I hope that finishes clearing this up.

This is from Lori who was the researcher that dug up the Sunday Advertiser announcement ... Oh and she is a “PUMA” so she was probably looking for a LACK of an announce.

Until I found this, I was reluctantly willing to concede that (however unbelievably unlikely,) it was theoretically possible or at least hard to disprove, the story that Obama was born in Kenya on the 4th, flew to Hawaii on the 6th or 7th and the birth was registered on the 8th. But this information blows even that crazy story out of the water.

When I was nosing around on the FactCheck server files, I found graphic files for the announcement. I posted a sample here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2127901/posts?page=236#236

That file was linked to go out on another virtual server that resides on FactCheck, publicbroadcasting.net.

Then, on FactCheck’s page where they dispute the rumors, they link to the copy that was sent to TxDarling as a source. It looks like they created the announcement then used TxDarling as a 3rd party source. Very typical of propaganda.

There are also COLB pictures at FactChect’s server files. Seems they have COLBs in various colors.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2127901/posts?page=234#234

I had thought Polarik said the paper code meant the paper was suppose to be the same; but I have not heard back from him yet.

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Thanks Kevmo for this information

Several questions that I think have been discussed before but I can’t remember the threads...maybe there are some freepers out there that have the posts.

*Frank Marshall Davis wrote for the Honolulu Advertiser, not sure what that time frame was
*Were these birth announcement images from ACTUAL original 1961 newspaper articles or from microfiche? I am trying to figure out if the original newspapers had that info of if it has been photoshopped in somehow
*Did we ever get a handle on the home that was referenced in the birth announcement (ie... In 1961, what exactly existed at that address...Was it a single dwelling home and who owned it. Also, the image that shows up now on Terra viewer or whatever one uses...Is this the same building that existed in 1961?
Most States have online info regarding property taxes, mortgages, etc. Does Hawaii have this available?

The following points come from my conversations with Vital Records staff and the State registrar, Alvin Onaka.

First of all, back in 1961 Hawaii, EVERY COUPLE would have been listed as Mr. and Mrs. regardless of their actual marital status when their child was born.

Secondly, there is NOTHING in these birth announcement that indicates WHERE a child was born. This fact alone should squash any hasty conclusion that Obama was "likely" born in Hawaii. Not only is Obama likely to have been born in Kenya, he is more likely to have been born there than Hawaii.

Barack could have been born anywhere in the world, and when his mom turned over the original birth certificate from an out-of-state location (whether it was Kansas or Kenya) in order to get a Hawaiian Certificate of Birth for Obama, the Health Department recorded the date that was on that foreign certificate, which BTW, was never, ever validated to be genuine and accurate. They DID NOT perform any kind of verification process for out-of-state certificates exchanged for Hawaiian ones and naturally assumed that the original birth certificates were genuine.

In other words, Obama easily could have been born on a different date in a different country, and the information that was on a foreign birth certificate does not have to reflect reality.

If Obama was born in Kenya, then the probability of the date on the Kenyan BC being inaccurate is as likely than it being accurate, given that the vast majority of births in Kenya did not occur in hospitals. Even if Obama was born in the best hospital in Kenya, getting local officials to fudge the data was simply a matter of waving around some American dollars.

Again, keep in mind that Health Department had no way of authenticating an original birth certificate from a foreign country. Whatever was on the foreign BC is what was put on the Hawaiian BC.

Bottom line: the ads are totally meaningless as far as proving that Obama was born in Hawaii and the probability of getting a bogus BC made, in 1961, and in a country like Kenya, was high.