Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes
“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.” - US Declaration of Independence
Hmmm... sounds a lot like the formation of many governmental positions where which are paid for and from taxations.
It’s amazing how many of these elements of grievances have _some_ analog to our Current government.
Hypothetically, if it were proven quite satisfactorily that BHO was not born in the US or had surrendered his citizenship, and yet the Bush Justice Department declined to enforce the provisions of the Constitution and BHO was allowed the mockery of being sworn in, I really don't see what option there would be.
Sharp move politically. Wonder what Lingle is doing, oh, in about 4 years or so? :-)
The document exists, we assume because it was sealed- but that doesn’t it says he was born in Hawaii.
From the Hawaii web site ( current law, I don’t know what it was in 1961
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As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
has become legally adopted, or
has undergone a sex change operation, or
a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
previously recorded information in relation to the persons surname and/or the fathers personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.
For a person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii:
An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a certified copy of the adoption decree or the certificate of adoption, and payment of fees.
Note: Any additional application forms that may be required will be provided by the Department of Health after receipt of the necessary documents in support of the establishment of an amended certificate of birth.
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SO the point is not that one exists or not - but what it SAYS
It may be all about nothing, but then, why not show it ?
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SCOTUS generally FROWNS on the trampling of the Constitution.
Just look to Brown v. Board of Education, which was 9-0 (southern judges had wanted to dissent for fear of reprisal in their states ... but did not), United States v. Nixon, which was 8-0 (Rehnquist took no part), and Bush v. Gore, which was 7-2 (2 libs - Breyer and Souter joined the majority agreeing that it was a clear violation of Equal Protection).
I think SCOTUS hold the Constitution sacred and will do the right thing.
You’re right that the top document is a modern copy. Look at the lower left-hand corner and you’ll see that it says “(Rev. 11/01) LASER”. And you can see a handwritten “2007” seeping through from the back side.
I’d imagine that this is simply the type of copy that is made all the time as a replacement, a spare, or whatever. I don’t think the copy itself is a big deal. The content of the document, on the other hand...
According to one lefty site.
Notice that the new one lists his fathers race as African, not Negro as it would if the info on the original said Negro.
African was not a RACE in ‘61. African American is considered a race now, but in ‘61 he would be listed as Negro.
The one that looks newer is obviously a forgery.
Hmmm...interesting.So what is it...are his records open to the press or not? Having done some family research in my day I know that states have different laws regarding records of that sort (birth,death,marriage,etc).In some states anyone can just walk in and see a record...and get a copy of it.In other states there are serious restrictions.If Hawaii is a "restrictions" state they should be taken down *only for Osama*.
Demanding that the Constitution be followed is now "treason and sedition"????
Did I wake up in Nazi Germany today?
>Its too late. Even if it is true, if he is disqualified, then it would literally tear the US
>apart. I believe that the entire US government would go along with the lie in order to prevent
>that. Their jobs and lives depend on it. Even patriots would go along with it because they
>wouldnt want to the US torn apart. Well just have to suffer at least 4 years and then
>maybe in 20 years the truth will out.
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
— US Declaration of Independence
Honestly, I’m TIRED of one set of rules applying to the common-folk and not to the ‘powerful’ (Uberrich, political, or whatever). I thought JUSTICE was blind...
***then we get...Biden? Oh Joy!***
If the Electoral College were to throw Obama out as a candidate, then he wouldn’t be president, so perhaps the rule of handing it on down to the VP might not apply.
I finally found an article that said Lingle did not seal Obamas BC.
If this doesn't happen,regardless of what Hawaii law may require today,it would be ***absolutely*** reasonable for ordinary folks to assume that *someone* (read:Osama) has *something* to hide.
Something BIG!
Can’t we charge him with........Fraud? He is claiming this fake certificate is his.
I believe that the SCOTUS would be obligated by the 20th amendment to allow the Vice President elect to become President. If the democrat ticket was disqualified then we could possibly have a President Palin? until a special election per your number 4 scenario.
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