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Rendell, Specter say Palin hurt McCain's chances
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 11/6/2008 | The Associated Press

Posted on 11/06/2008 8:27:09 AM PST by mak5

GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin took some heat Wednesday from two of Pennsylvania's top political leaders.

Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell told business leaders at a postelection breakfast that John McCain would have had a better chance of winning Pennsylvania with a different running mate, and U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, a GOP moderate, rejected the idea that the Republican party might belong to Palin.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: mccain; pa2008; palin; pennsylvania; specter
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To: dalereed

Yawn


161 posted on 11/06/2008 10:12:06 AM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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To: GerardKempf

It’s not the “far rights” (just plain right actually) that are doing the bashing. It’s center lefts, and yes, those rinos need to go.


162 posted on 11/06/2008 10:13:13 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Agreed. We need to find the other Sarah Palins out there and help foster their careers, their public appearances and their confidence. The real Americans saw a heroine in Sarah being someone who was not afraid to speak up for conservative values and take on the media and the attack dogs of the left. Ronald Reagan spent decades burnishing his public image and was well-known before he sought national public office. There are others out there. We just need to find them. And then we need to spend a lot of time educating people on bedrock values through whatever media we can use. (Educators were once our allies, not no longer unless we can break the back of the unions that call the shots.) Nevertheless, conservatives need to make real commitments to educate the public.

I personally do not favor career politicians. My vote goes to those who have real world experience in taking risks and signing the bottom of checks, not just the backs. We have a nation full of people who have just voted for a nanny state and we are going to have perhaps even a generation to wean them away from that failed notion. We need to take back history, we need to reward work and penalize sloth, we need to get rid of RINOs in Washington and our state governments, and we need to rid ourselves of the notion (apparently held by President Bush and Senator McCain) that getting along is the highest value. And that’s only for starters. We need people like Thomas Sowell and Dennis Prager as philosophical spokespersons.

We need to turn our backs on the society that fosters this socialist, immoral cultural relativism by ignoring long-term consequences in favor of “sob stories” of today. Democrats long ago perfected the tactic of hiding behind sad cases to enact truly damaging policies and Republicans are falling for it. Question illegal immigration and you get news stories about Juan and Juana and their children living in fear. Question abortion and you get Sadie who was raped by her brother-in-law. Question high taxes and you get little Johnnie who now gets welfare to pay for his computer. Question accommodating terrorists and you get young Ahmed praying five times a day for peace. But there are some great examples of our past politicans being able to look past the sob story and question whether a particular policy or precedent is a good idea. They set aside the emotions and used their God-given intelligence to ask whether something that might be nice for one person might lead to more heartache later. I remember one poster gave the example of Davy Crockett (I think) who voted against an honorarium for a widow of the Revolutionary War on the basis that it would inevitably lead to others wanting the same honorarium for their families. We need to move past emotion as the highest in reasoning and help people understand that emotions can lead us astray. It is a struggle against the tide, to be sure. But we definitely need climate change.

Well, rant off. Thanks for bearing with me.


163 posted on 11/06/2008 10:20:58 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: GerardKempf
"Unless this party unifies, Obozo is good as re-elected."

Unites? Sorry, there is room for only ONE ideology in the party. If you want democrats and republicans to "unite' then we may as well have a single party, which is what a lot of people already think. They figure why bother voting, we just get the same old same old anyway.

That in part, was what Obama used to get away from the same old, same old democrat label, He somehow separated himself from that, and became something new with his "change" crap.

164 posted on 11/06/2008 10:22:06 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Tallguy

That’s a good point. Thanks!


165 posted on 11/06/2008 10:24:12 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: GerardKempf

Scourge them purge them beat them senseless piss on their graves and forget they ever existed.


166 posted on 11/06/2008 10:25:10 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: caseinpoint
We need to move past emotion as the highest in reasoning and help people understand that emotions can lead us astray

You are right, but we won't because we can't. Television = emotion. Television = infantilism.

167 posted on 11/06/2008 10:27:10 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: merry10

Hey, don’t be offended. I live in New Jersey, which means I can’t even use the qualifying term “marginally” when describing myself and my fellow voters. LOL.


168 posted on 11/06/2008 10:27:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: caseinpoint

Good rant though. :o)

Hopefully, Obama in his haste will ‘wean’ a lot of the brainwashed socialists off that dream far more quickly than we could ever hope for. We just have GOT to be ready for when that happens, which I think isn’t going to be all that far in the future.

I think he’s going to tread cautiously for a while though. This economy could ruin him and he knows it.


169 posted on 11/06/2008 10:30:40 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

You may be right. He won’t get a lot done immediately because of the economy and we have a window to begin educating people once again. We have been too complacent in our trust in the strength of this nation but it is only as strong as its people. Time to do letter-writing, speaking, posting and other efforts to bring the foundation of this nation and its constitutional democratic republican form of government back to the fore. Now’s not the time to sulk or withdraw from the public forum. Perhaps we can start a Patrick Henry forum here or something to be a source of good education. Or perhaps something is already in place and I haven’t found it.


170 posted on 11/06/2008 10:35:10 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: caseinpoint

All true, but right now, we have to wait till this Obama worship euphoria that the media has drummed up begins to wear off, and the reality of the real world begins to settle back in.
After inauguration, reality will settle in quickly, and it will be a few months of cold, dark winter which will cement a feeling of despair as the economy comes apart, and people start loosing jobs all over. It’s looking like a conservative Christmas, and the bills will be flying into mailboxes in the new year. That’s when the pressure will begin to build on Obama to do something.


171 posted on 11/06/2008 10:43:48 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: GerardKempf

How are those RINO’s doing in the Northeast? Aren’t they extinct now? It is the moderates stabbing Palin in the back.
How classy of them.

Sarah Palin has come close to having the perfect message for what I believe is the conservative message. If a Republican is against her, I’m against them.

Conservatism wins elections. End of story.


172 posted on 11/06/2008 10:44:32 AM PST by listenhillary (That giant sucking sound? It's only the government consuming the fruits of our labor.)
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To: caseinpoint

And do something he’ll have to do, all his masses are waiting for the Obama miracle, which will probably cause business struggling to stay afloat to sink. The Messiah will have to come up with a pretty damn good miricle.


173 posted on 11/06/2008 10:46:17 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: mak5

“How about it, Pennsylvania, can we retire Specter in 2010? “

There in lies the conundrum. Retire him and you have one more person who caucuses with the libs because a real conservative isn’t winning there. Keep him and you have a thorn in your side.


174 posted on 11/06/2008 10:49:26 AM PST by DemonDeac
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To: MarkeyD
Without Palin, McCain would have lost by 20 Million votes.


175 posted on 11/06/2008 10:49:32 AM PST by petercooper (I am a bitter clinger!)
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To: Terabitten

“Exactly. That’s where we win or lose the general election - in the primaries. That’s our ONE chance to get the true conservative into any given race.”

One thing that killed us was the fact that we had 9,000 different people splitting the vote in that primary.


176 posted on 11/06/2008 10:50:27 AM PST by DemonDeac
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To: Nathan Zachary

It will take some time to sink this economy and we really can’t wait to at least prepare ourselves to do battle for our values. We need a massive education effort for our own people, let alone the liberals who will ultimately be disappointed. The problem is that those who have drunk the Kool-aid of liberalism will take many years to get over its effects. We can’t wait for the next election to get the effort going, no matter how the economy is doing. The alternate PACs or 527s need to be raising money now, identifying possible standard-bearers now, educating their people now, preparing for public discourse now.


177 posted on 11/06/2008 10:53:18 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: caseinpoint

Exactly. That’s what I said, we have to begin organizing with while we have some time before the glow falls off their golden boy.

And yes, the 527’s should be working on drafting up ads for when it does. pretty hard to do that though until we start seeing things happen.

Also, many of us that fund them are tapped out till next 1/4.
It’s year end time as well.


178 posted on 11/06/2008 11:03:07 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Tammy8
Apparently you read something in my prior posts that is just not there. I made no statement, express or implied, that a candidate must or should veer left to inspire democrats. Leaving the conservative ideology is not a necessary prerequisite to inspire democrats (i.e. Ronald Reagan). However, yes we should try to appeal to certain democrats while maintaining a conservative message.

Certain conservative candidates will inspire independents and democrats much more than others—even though they have the same conservative ideology. If we want to win, it is those candidates that we should support.

179 posted on 11/06/2008 11:04:27 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: Nathan Zachary

DO not run faster than your strength allows but run the race as well as possible. The tortoise and hare approach works here but it is amazing what can be accomplished when a goal is clearly defined and the people are on board. I marvel at how much got accomplished on the Yes on Proposition 8 here in California. The court ruling came down only in May and the petition for the election got signed, through a court challenge, on the ballot, through a battle on wording, and passed, all within five months or so. So definitions and stands are what is important right now.


180 posted on 11/06/2008 11:14:59 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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