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Say Goodbye to America
American Thinker ^ | November 03, 2008 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 11/03/2008 6:15:58 AM PST by NCjim

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To: wintertime

Yes and yes


41 posted on 11/03/2008 7:12:34 AM PST by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: awake-n-angry
GOP RINO's already tossed out the message for political expediency. Getting that back from them is the only thing that will save the GOP.

McCain isn't part of that. He's one of the ones "reaching across the aisle" and kissing Democrat ass. Palin though, she's the future if the GOP wants to REALLY change this Country back to what it is supposed to be.

42 posted on 11/03/2008 7:15:42 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Sender

I have thus far given 11 years of life in the defense of this country and I believe that you are correct. I’m locked and loaded and so are many of my bretheren. I’m afraid that if something does go down that there will be a big split down the military, some will continue to follow orders and fight against their own people, but many of us will go on the side of the people and fight to preserve what this country was and should still be. I’m honestly afraid of what will happen here but I’m also prepared for it. As the old saying goes “Pray for peace but prepare for war.” We’ll see how the lefties take it when “the One” loses.

Semper Fi


43 posted on 11/03/2008 7:19:35 AM PST by jleibyUSMC (America, Love her, Defend her, or Leave her......... Semper fi)
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To: NCjim
This is BS, the americans are the conservatives. Palin is an American, McCain thinks he is an American and he has paid his dues and is entitled to think that. However, he is very liberal and Americans are not liberal. Americans believe in freedom, individual freedom, not collective freedom. They believe in one person, one vote. They believe in free enterprise, they believe in minimal taxes, just enough to get the job of the government done and no more.

They believe in running fair elections, they believe in the Constitution of the USA and they believe in the rule of law and that it should be enforced equally across the board for all people in this country.

Those things and more define an American and conservatives are all those things. Liberals are not. The only reason we will wake up to a vastly different America will be if Bozo wins, he won't. The liberals will scream and cry that they were cheated, but this time, if I read my cards right, we will not have a "compassionate" conservative in the WH and we will fight back and start taking our schools back, our news outlets must have competition, large news outlets as well as the internet so that the stunning bias that exists now will be negated. We must put our country back on a moral path because that is what is missing now.

Most of all we must put a stop to the "PC" and victim classes the liberals have forced upon us.

Saying that both sides are alike is just plain BS, so this writer can take his article and stick it.

44 posted on 11/03/2008 7:20:56 AM PST by calex59 (!)
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To: Licensed-To-Carry

No matter who wins, it’s time to split.

Only if we get an entire coast. And it better be the east coast becasue otherwise we will be fighting a two front war.


45 posted on 11/03/2008 7:31:20 AM PST by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY and voting for SARAH PALIN!!!)
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To: hardhead
But would the armed forces fire on Americans simply wishing to secede, and do so on behalf of the corrupt socialist scum who stabbed them in the back in Vietnam and Iraq?

'Hard to imagine the soldiery at Ft. Hood turning on Texans, for example, if they wished to secede.

46 posted on 11/03/2008 7:32:07 AM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: Owl_Eagle

No you need a coast or you will be fighting a two front war. give them the california side of the world and we take from east of the Rockies to Maine.


47 posted on 11/03/2008 7:33:25 AM PST by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY and voting for SARAH PALIN!!!)
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To: pierrem15

But would the armed forces fire on Americans simply wishing to secede, and do so on behalf of the corrupt socialist scum who stabbed them in the back in Vietnam and Iraq?

There was a little war about 150 years ago that proves that our military will fight against our citizens if the purpose is framed correctly.


48 posted on 11/03/2008 7:36:40 AM PST by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY and voting for SARAH PALIN!!!)
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To: CodeToad

they attacked her daughter as having the baby and not Sarah.
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The Marxists even sneered at 8 year old Piper when she licked her fingers to smooth her baby brother’s hair.


49 posted on 11/03/2008 7:42:54 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: NCjim

I feel like the rift between those who truly understand and believe in Obama’s socialist ideologies and the rest of America is the biggest rift since the Civil War. If we do not win this one, it will become evident as Obama’s regime pushes forth its radical policies one by one. Starting with the Fairness Doctrine, to stifle opposing viewpoints.


50 posted on 11/03/2008 7:44:48 AM PST by beagleone (Stand up and fight. America is worth fighting for. Nothing is inevitable here. We never give up.)
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To: wintertime

Liberals hate children...they are a “burden”, as Obama put it.


51 posted on 11/03/2008 7:45:07 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: albie

Time to move.

I was visiting my family back East for two weeks. Just got back on Thursday. I agree. I saw it too.

I am glad to be back in my solidly red state.


52 posted on 11/03/2008 7:45:14 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: NCjim

Bye Bye Miss American Pie (And Goodbye Don Mclean)

Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
“this’ll be the day that I die.”


53 posted on 11/03/2008 8:06:44 AM PST by RedMonqey
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To: fso301

It’s true. Take a look at this USA Today county-by-county 2004 election map:

http://images.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/elections2004/_images/2004countymap-final2.gif

Most US counties (including New York State) are red...overwhelmingly.


54 posted on 11/03/2008 8:07:47 AM PST by quesney
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To: Baynative
majority of our media, the majority of our educators, the majority of our entertainers,

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BINGO!

The former KGB spy in the following video called it the "demoralization" stage which he claims takes about 20 years. This is how long it takes to indoctrinate a new generation and infiltrate them into the culture. He claims that "destabilization" comes next and only takes 2 to 5 years to accomplish.

Link to KGB Spy Discussing Demoralization

As of now, our government schools and some private schools, our colleges and universities, the media, the entertainment industry, all of our social agencies (public and private), and even our legislatures are thoroughly infiltrated with Marxists and their indoctrinated Useful Idiots. The demoralization stage is likely complete. Destabilization comes next.

Marxism is our nation's **most** serious threat. Conservatives MUST WAKE UP!!! The Cold War **never** ended. Of all the methods that Marxists use SCHOOLS are the Marxists **most** important weapon. It should be no surprise that Bill Ayers chose to be an professor of education as his profession.

Hopefully, conservatives can stop acting like stupefied frogs in slowly warming hot water and start fighting back. Perhaps we should thoroughly study Sal Alinsky and use their methods against them.

So...If the Marxists can use "demoralization" Conservatives should begin using "RE-moralization by doing the following:

* Immediately set up conservative private voucher foundations. Award school vouchers to schools that have a **conservative** curriculum and teach American and capitalistic values.

* These private voucher foundations could sponsor conservative teachers who are willing to set up homeschool cooperatives, one-room-schools, mini-schools, and tutoring centers. *The conservative private voucher foundations could test the students and certify the teachers and curriculum.

*We MUST break up the government school monopoly on team sports. Sports are the reason many students and parents are attracted to government schools. The private voucher foundations could organized sports leagues.

*Conservatives should give money to colleges **ONLY** with great big strings attached. They should demand conservative studies that educate youth in traditional American values and Western Civilization.

Conservatives should also consider investing in conservative media. Geeze! Look at the success of Fox and it is only half-Marxist! Also with today's technology surely conservatives should look into to building a conservative entertainment industry. Isn't Mel Gibson's movie of Christ an indication that a market exists?

55 posted on 11/03/2008 8:20:08 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: quesney

In the west many of the blue areas are Indian reservations with only a handful of people.


56 posted on 11/03/2008 8:22:17 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: quesney
Most US counties (including New York State) are red...overwhelmingly.

The Founding Fathers were well aware of the social dangers presented by large densly populated areas which is in large part why we have an electoral college and up until the 17th Amendment did not have direct election of the US Senators.

Presently, a candidate for US Senate only has to focus efforts on a few major population centers and can ignore vast swaths of the state. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry win the Boston vote and there is nothing the rest of the voters of Massachusets can do about it.

Without the 17th Amendment, people across an entire state will have more say in who their US Senators are because by casting their votes for State Legistators, they will indirectly cast their votes for US Senate as the Founding Fathers intended. Gone will also be the mountains of cash needed to run for the US Senate. Lobbyists also won't be happy. Liberals especially won't be happy.

57 posted on 11/03/2008 8:23:26 AM PST by fso301
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To: Chickensoup
I just think it will be real hard for the Feds to "frame it" correctly: with no pretence that is about liberty (freeing the slaves) it will appear as what it is, outright tyranny.

Plus the majority of officers and men come from the areas most likely to secede or most likely symapthetic to those who wish to do so.

58 posted on 11/03/2008 8:26:48 AM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: Dead Corpse

Got to disagree with that. Clinton was a sexual predator and used his power, whether as a Governor or as President to assault women.

It was not harrassment to go after him on that.

And he would have been convicted in the Senate if not for his extensive FBI files he had on some GOP Senators.


59 posted on 11/03/2008 8:27:20 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: wintertime

“Is Walter Williams right?

Is it time to seek peaceful secession?”

Yes... It is...

Win or lose this election, the time has come to separate ourselves from the marxist filth. Once we have separated we can begin the process of reacquiring what was left behind. It will take time to clean out the infestation but with the proper resolve it CAN be done.


60 posted on 11/03/2008 8:36:49 AM PST by myself6 (.)
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