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To: grumpa

I just posted this in another thread, but I think it is relevant in this thread as well.

“The 1961 birth certificate posted on the Internet by the Obama campaign is suspected of being a forgery, based on a modified copy of his half-sister Maya’s birth certificate.”

The computer generated short form COLB may/not be a forgery. The signature stamp of Mr. Onaka is interesting because Mr. Onaka appears to have graduated in 1965 and was hired sometime in the late 1980s.

Berg’s challenge has hit the issue of standing, which is consistent with that faced in Robinson v Secretary of State Debra Brown et al, on the premise “Senator John McCain, this action alleges, is not a “natural-born citizen” within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve
as president.”

In that ruling, it was found:
It is clear that mechanisms exist under the Twelfth Amendment and 3 U.S.C. 15 for any challenge to any candidate to be ventilated when electoral votes are counted, and that the Twentieth Amendment provides guidance regarding how to proceed if a president elect shall have failed to qualify. Issues regarding qualifications for president are quintessentially suited to the foregoing process. Arguments concerning qualifications or lack thereof can be laid before the voting public before the election and, once the election is over, can be raised as objections as the electoral votes are counted in Congress.
The members of the Senate and the House of Representatives are well qualified to adjudicate any objections to ballots for allegedly unqualified candidates. Therefore, this order holds that the challenge presented by plaintiff is committed under the Constitution to the electors and the legislative branch, at least in the first instance. Judicial review — if any — should occur only after the electoral and Congressional processes have run their course. Texas v. United States, 523 U.S. 296, 300–02 (1998). This circumstance also obviates any occasion to consider plaintiff’s standing-cure suggestion that the American Independent Party (affiliated with Alan Keyes) be allowed to intervene.


13 posted on 10/26/2008 8:10:57 PM PDT by tarpit
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To: tarpit

Interesting.


109 posted on 10/26/2008 8:45:14 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: tarpit
“The 1961 birth certificate posted on the Internet by the Obama campaign is suspected of being a forgery, based on a modified copy of his half-sister Maya’s birth certificate.”

Sorry to burst that bubble, but that claim was a hoax. "TechDude" was a phantom.

But the rest of your post is quite interesting...

The members of the Senate and the House of Representatives are well qualified to adjudicate any objections to ballots for allegedly unqualified candidates.

184 posted on 10/26/2008 9:06:09 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: tarpit
"Judicial review — if any — should occur only after the electoral and Congressional processes have run their course."

If Obama wins next Tuesday and they rule in December that he was not qualified to run, you're going to see riots the likes of which have rarely been seen before.
282 posted on 10/26/2008 9:47:52 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: tarpit

What if this is Hillary’s ace-in-the-hole?

Suppose she knows the that BO is not eligible for POTUS, but doesn’t want to split the party irreparably and knew that the split would mean certain defeat if she used that info before the election in order to claim the nomination.

So she arranges for Berg to file that lawsuit (Berg is a Democrat and long-time Clinton supporter).

She knew Berg would not prevail. (Why do you think the same was filed against McCain months ago?). But it did make major news and raised questions in a lot of peoples minds. A great setup for her in 2012 if he loses.

If BO wins, she can wait until the electoral college meets and have a crony (or any Republican) challenge and demand proof.

Voila, BO is declared ineligible and she is chosen as his replacement.

If BO appears to have lost, she has destroyed his chance for another run and cleared the way for herself in 2012.

Either way, she wins - if she knows the true facts about BO.
With her supporters and contacts everywhere in federal and state government positions (and those pesky FBI files), I’m betting she knows.


347 posted on 10/26/2008 11:00:10 PM PDT by RebelTex (MOLON LABE!)
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To: tarpit
“The computer generated short form COLB may/not be a forgery. The signature stamp of Mr. Onaka is interesting because Mr. Onaka appears to have graduated in 1965 and was hired sometime in the late 1980s.”

COLBs are nothing more than computer generated data based on the original birth certificate. A COLB can be generated today, for a BC that is 50 years old. Signature stamps/seals on COLBs are provided by the registrar who happens to be in the job role at the time the COLB is generated.

423 posted on 10/27/2008 7:43:05 AM PDT by motoman
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To: tarpit

I’m glad you posted that. It fills in the puzzle for me and a lot of other people and answers the question who/when challenges to the President-elects qualifications are dealth with.


463 posted on 10/27/2008 10:52:04 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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