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I think that it may be most productive to focus on whether Obama lost his citizenship if indeed he ever had it.

The following is excerpted from Philip J. Berg's lawsuit and is worth discussion here:

1 posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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I don't believe you can lose "natural born" status.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, he's all set.

2 posted on 10/24/2008 3:53:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered...the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph)
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This is getting more and more legs...but I still doubt it will reach a point, before the elction, to halt the Obamanation.

We have to defeat him at the polls, and I believe we can.





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3 posted on 10/24/2008 3:54:38 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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Anyone whose mother’s first name was Stanley doesn’t deserve to be president.


4 posted on 10/24/2008 3:55:32 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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This deal may be a commucrat Trojan Horse. I do not think for a minute Obama can win.


5 posted on 10/24/2008 3:56:33 PM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: Fithal the Wise

Obama is a radical socialist — Stick with what we know.


6 posted on 10/24/2008 3:56:56 PM PDT by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: Fithal the Wise

Apparently, Obama’s parents gave little thought to giving him any sort of coherent national heritage. In that respect, I feel sorry for him. His liberal friends taught him that the US Constitution was not important. Now he is facing a grim reality, in a number of ways.


9 posted on 10/24/2008 3:57:46 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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If Obama was born in the US, he is a natural born citizen. His parents can not take away his citizenship even thru adoption.

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.

10 posted on 10/24/2008 3:58:44 PM PDT by kabar
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geeeeeeesh


11 posted on 10/24/2008 3:59:24 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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When Obama was seen walking alone outside his grandmothers apartment in Hawaii it looked he was ver somber, it looked like he had just seen his dog run over sp to speak.

Myself I think what just happened in Hawaii is the breaker, he lost his chance at becoming president because he was never eligible to be nominated.

If I was in his sandals I would have preferred to have had lost my dog instead.


17 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:58 PM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Live from Wasilla, Alaska and saying NO to Barack HUSSEIN Obama)
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Phillip Berg was on Michael Savage yesterday and it should be noted that he is a lifelong Democrat and a former Pennsylvania State Deputy Attorney General.


21 posted on 10/24/2008 4:05:45 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Buraq HUSSEIN Obama. If the libs don't like his name then why support him?)
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This is just noise.
No judge in his right mind,(granting that more than a few are definately of unsound mind and judgement), would or should touch this less than two weeks before the election.
It may well have legal standing and it may well be that zero does not have the legitimate right to stand for president,
BBUUUTTTT...

Do you really want to throw gasoline on a fire?


23 posted on 10/24/2008 4:06:13 PM PDT by mapmaker77
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To: Fithal the Wise

I think that the other certification issue is with his law license in Illinois. What questions on that application did he answer honestly? It seems doubtful that he would have answered some of the questions honestly without his application being examined further than most applications would be.


27 posted on 10/24/2008 4:07:28 PM PDT by madinmadtown
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"We found his real birthplace!"

31 posted on 10/24/2008 4:10:18 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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I am bookmarking this for every time someone says “Barack’s mother was a US Citizen. Case closed” or something similiar.

I also want to know if there were segregated hospitals in Hawaii in 1961. It would seem someone would remember a white woman in the “black” maternity ward.

I just don’t know how Hawaii handled that back then.


38 posted on 10/24/2008 4:14:24 PM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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marking for later


40 posted on 10/24/2008 4:15:43 PM PDT by Unkosified (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

44 posted on 10/24/2008 4:19:47 PM PDT by explodingspleen
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Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.

Why is it uncertain which hospital he claims he was born in? Just ask him. Also, this guy has other names, right?

And the name Hussein, no one is allowed to speak it, why?

Kind of creepy.

50 posted on 10/24/2008 4:25:34 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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I think I read where Berg came out today and said he had a recording of Obamah’s grandmother in Kenya saying little Barack was born there.


55 posted on 10/24/2008 4:29:02 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Fithal the Wise
 BERG v. OBAMA et al
75 posted on 10/24/2008 4:44:32 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Thank You Troops)
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BTTT


80 posted on 10/24/2008 4:50:43 PM PDT by The Californian
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