Posted on 10/22/2008 9:25:20 AM PDT by Jack Black
I've lived through some turbulent years of American history, but I have never seen our country more polarized, more divided, more ripe for – dare I say it? – breakup, dissolution, a secessionist movement. I admit I'm unafraid of radical ideas – if those radical ideas are just, righteous, moral and godly. I believe it's time for radical ideas – just as it was time in 1776. Frankly, I don't see a way to unite a people as divided as Americans are today. We are trying to pretend we're one nation when we are really two. One of those two nations clings to the promises and covenants of the past, the Bible, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, as the guiding principles. The other believes in and lives with no immutable standards. It's not a Republican vs. Democrat split – as the current election illustrates. I know many Republicans would find themselves more comfortable in the country of no standards. I also suspect many Democrats would actually find themselves more at home in the nation of the Bible, Declaration and Constitution. Isn't it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider?
Isn't it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider? When there are no new lands to discover, what choice do we have?
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There's only one way to recapture the greatness of America. That is to start over – with only those willing to play by the rules. Let those who don't believe in rules have their own country to destroy.
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A strict immigration policy heavily weighted again liberals and biased towards merit would need to be established. After all, as their country crumbled under their own idiocy, they’d be clawing to get into the one still based on the Constitution and the Founders’ intent.
I live west of the Bread Basket of the Confederacy (Shenandoah Valley) from the Blue Ridge in the Allegheny Highlands, and I’ll wave at you from my ridge! Got plenty of veggies out of the garden, the deer are fat, cider is getting hard in the cellar & have enough bullets to last for several years. We’re ready.
Don't leave them behind. That's the whole point of this.
I don't see secession as giving up. I see staying put and hoping to work within a system that has been wholly corrupted futile. Our chances for survival are exponentially better in an independent Republic of Texas than they will be in Barack Hussein Obama's America.
From a financial view, those of us living in the Northeast and on the West Coast would be better off financially without the Red States to subsidize with our tax dollars.
What is the series that Travis wrote?
Thanks!
I’m beginning -I think -to understand the Tower of Babel. I have close friends and colleagues that start talking Obama-I swear I don’t understand them-
I’ve heard this trope many times, that we on the coast are “subsidizing” the “red states,” but I’ve never seen what exactly that means. How exactly are my tax dollars (and yours, I presume) being used to keep (I guess) southern and midwestern states afloat? Can you provide examples?
Secession would be the wrong answer. If there were a CWII it would be to re-establish the constitution and the republic and to do what should have been done in 1865 — throw out the democrat party, outlaw it and if necessary hang the traitorous leadership of the party. Those who don’t like it can move Canada, Mexico or France where they might feel more comfortable.
Travis has been pinged! (He’s a co-owner of the CWII ping list)
13 secs.......great minds.........
I see your point, but look at the numbers. What are you going to do with places like New York? I just don’t see that as realistic. You would be ensuring a war that killed millions. Secession could be peacefully achieved. Over time more states might join the break-aways as their model proved superior.
Exactly.
Start with Texas. We'd already be surrounded by sympathetic neighbors. If the Union chooses to go to war with the RoT, it will fracture what's left of the U.S.
Hummmm....I am starting to like this idea, lol.
Your mistake is in equating the constitution and the principles laid out in the declaration with the geography of this country.
They are not the same.
Perhaps the best way to SAVE the constitution and the declaration is to cut them away from the sickness that threatens to kill it.
The constitution without the land mass of California suffers no degradation. The “life” of the constitution is NOT tied to the geographic make up of the country that adopts it. It is instead tied to the people who share a like mind with those who created it.
Ill try to put it a bit more plainly. Separation from the marxists is NOT giving up the constitution, it would in fact be saving it.
Separation can happen in a couple of ways... The more humane being a peaceful separation, the other being forcefully separating the marxists from this mortal coil. Given the option I would prefer a peaceful separation, but I am NOT afraid of the other method.
I actually believe you don’t need tough border control between the two nations. You could even have open borders. The issues that separate us are socialism and public morality. Those are governed by the laws of the land. I have no problem if the socialist shops in my store, or the gay couple eats in my restaurant. At the end of the day they will receive no entitlement or benefit from the government of my state. My tax dollars will not be “spread around” to them. If their behavior is criminal under the laws of my state they will be punished according to the law. Likewise when I visit the blue nation I will be aware that I can be imprisoned for my speech, that I cannot practice my religion openly. In the end a lot of blue staters would eventually look at the two systems and decide to give up their dysfunctional Marxist Utopia and try their luck in the free state. The key is to have a strict and clear constitution so that we cannot waiver from liberty again.
The United States that was left would no longer be able to afford being a socialist country..
The North Eastern socialist states would crumble as the parasites they are.. or come together in communism like that they almost already are.. Eastern "southern" States would form some other kind of communion.. The states that UNIONS control would form their own communion..
The Soviet Union broke up.. could the United States do the SAME?.. Good question.. No doubt about it.. a civil war or revolution is seething like maggots in a dead body.. in ALL the states..
FREEDOM is ALWAYS gained by much blood.. always.. How this polarization(of americans) pans out is ignored at much risk.. The "republic" is at risk.. What states make up the republic is to be determined.. Some will become a democracy and others will become a republic.. or stand alone countries.. allied in a republic like communion..
I vote for a revolution.. to clean the socialists out.. a civil war would become the mother of all riots I think.. basically anarchy..
That person standing next to you in the line at the grocery store is one of the ones you no longer wish to share the country with. Who is going to move?
There are people that attend political rallies and shout “USA”, meaning The Constitution, Rule of Law, Of, By, and For The People ...
And there are people that attend political rallies and chant “I WANT PIE!!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGBH86k3Y8w
These people live next door to each other but they are from different, irreconcilable, nations.
There is no chance for a peaceful, ‘you go your way and I'll go mine’ sort of geographic split.
It's a measure of how much a State sends in to the Federal treasury versus what it gets back. Take a look at this chart:
Return on Tax Dollar Per State
You'll see that for every dollar people in New England send to the Feds, they get 86 cents back. Meanwhile, people in the South get $1.19 back for every dollar they send in. Mississippi gets back more than $2 for every $1 they pay into the treasury.
Which stands to reason- the Red States tend to be poorer and less economically developed than the Blue States (with exceptions on both sides, of course). They require more Federal dollars to meet their various needs.
that’s where we differ in our solutions, then. Our country’s history already endured a Republic of Texas, and an Alamo (with many legendary heroes), and that republic’s return to the union. No, I’ll stand my ground in Alabama, and hope that my neighbors in other states from the Gulf to the Atlantic to the Pacific up to Canada and down to Mexico will link together in courage and commitment to this country, to this constitution, to these American people.
Our opinions differ on this, but I can appreciate your love of country!
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