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The MSM loses its mind over undocumented plumbers(MSM Lies Joe's boss does have license)
Stop The ACLU ^ | 10/16/08 | Stop The ACLU

Posted on 10/16/2008 8:25:32 PM PDT by DaveTesla

[posted by ArrMatey]

By now I hope you read my earlier post below. Link is here. Across the blogosphere, we have news that Joe the Plumber, single father, American working guy, aspiring business owner, is about to be shut down and put out of work, to the great glee of Obama supporters.

I am angry. I know I ought not blog angry. I’m going to count to a hundred, listen to some Men without Hats, and finish writing this in a few….

I’m back. It’s amazing what a few minutes listening to Pop Goes the World can do for you. Here are the links: 1. HotAir reports that “Toledo Moves to Shut Down Joe the Plumber”. 2. NBC affiliate reports that even Joe’s boss is not licensed: “If the boss of a company has valid documentation employees are covered. However, NBC-24 learned neither Joe, nor his boss Al Newell, are authorized to do work in Lucas County.” 3. MSNBC repeats what I’ll shortly show you is incorrect, that boss Newell is not licensed: “And the county Wurzelbacher and Newell live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses, but neither is licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.”

And so on. Now let me tell you that many news outlets are getting the story right, that Joe’s boss, Mr. Newell (in business since 1974, God bless you sir, I’m sure you could never have imagined all this happening to you in America), is in fact licensed in Lucas County. How do I know? Because the State of Ohio’s computers told me so, and they would tell the media the same if they looked…like I did.

Mr. Newell is licensed. He is licensed in Lucas County. His license number starts with the digits 329 and then has two more digits. I don’t see any need to post more identifying information about innocent people. Search here, plug in the right paramaters, and you can download the list of all licensed plumbers in Lucas County, Ohio. It is not difficult, though you have to provide information about yourself as the requester of the information.

So I got this list of licensees.

Mr. Newell is on that list. And if I read the rules of apprenticeship correctly (I am not an Ohio attorney, and yes I could be reading it wrong), the reported date of November 2003 as the date of filing of Joe’s apprenticeship papers seems to be just fine. According to this,

“The Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board (O.C.I.L.B.), Department of Commerce, Division of Industrial Compliance, issues state commercial licenses to the following contractors: electrical, HVAC, hydronics, plumbing, and refrigeration. To receive a state license, an applicant must meet the following requirements: 1) be at least 18 years of age; 2) be a United States citizen or a legal alien-must provide proof of being a legal alien; 3) either have been a tradesperson in the type of licensed trade for which the application is filed for not less than five years immediately prior to the date the application is filed, currently be a registered engineer in this state with three years of business experience in the construction industry in the trade for which the engineer is applying to take the examination, or have other experience acceptable to the appropriate section of the board; 4) not have been convicted of or plead guilty to a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude or of any felony; 5) pass the examination in the trade; 6) carry minimum $500,000 contractor liability coverage; 7) pay the applicable fees”

So here’s the point. Many news outlets have gotten it correct, but some have not and that needs to be corrected. Mr. Newell is licensed, and Joe the Plumber is just short of his five years before he can apply for licensure, but as supervised by Newell, he’s o.k.. You can look at screen captures of the entire list of Lucas County licensed plumbers here (part 1) and here (part 2). And as we read the news stories about local officials mobilizing to put Joe out of work, (quote: “A staff person with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection told On Call this afternoon that her division will contact Wurzelbacher to notify him that he can’t work without a license. “We’re trying to track him down,” she said”), consider the following:

Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on the list of licensees. Disclaimer: I don’t care that none of them are on the list, and I know that not necessarily every one of the union officers are plumbers at all, as they also represent other trades. That said, their spokesman is on record slamming Joe about licensure.

Alan W. Newell's license.
15th from bottom.
Lic #32957



Search list of all licensed plumbers in Lucas County, Ohio
http://elicense1-roster.com.ohio.gov/default.asp



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho; brownshirtmedia; demsmearmachine; enemdia; enemedia; joetheplumber; obama; plumber; rats; spreadthewealth; stalinistpress; waronjoetheplumber
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To: Chaguito

Yeah...but I really feel bad that “Joe” is having to endure this crap. He’s been a real trooper, so far. I hope he can hang in there and not let this get to him.


61 posted on 10/16/2008 10:18:00 PM PDT by TNdandelion (I voted the girl and I liked it!)
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To: TNdandelion

I feel bad, too. If people cannot be brought to see the implications of this, we are in deep trouble. This cannot be allowed to happen without consequences to the perpetrators. But I fear the people are lulled into complacency, “It can’t happen here.”


62 posted on 10/16/2008 10:22:16 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: DaveTesla

63 posted on 10/16/2008 10:26:18 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: nuconvert
I hope this guy goes on tv and tells everyone what Obama’s supporters are doing to him

He's going to be on Huckabe's show Sat nite FOX - Hopefully, they'll bring out the lies they're telling about Joe and his boss - who, I think, should sue every outlet that lied about him not being licensed. That's not only personal defamation but can hurt his business. These are not public figures. They can't be lied about freely.

64 posted on 10/16/2008 10:38:57 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: realcleanguy
Will Alan Newell own MSNBC now with the lawsuit coming?

I hope they both sue - then Newell can retire and Joe will have the money to buy the business

65 posted on 10/16/2008 10:40:37 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: HerrBlucher
I have calmed down. I normally feel bad when I lose it and apologize, but I don’t feel bad this time. I really don’t know if I can handle bambi supporters anymore.....I don’t just disagree with their candidate I am sickened by his elitism, his Stalinism, his lies, his arrogance, his infanticide...its too much to take.

If you have only one conservative friend who can see what's at stake - he/she is worth a room full of obamites...

and make no mistake: If the worst happens, those are the ones that will pull on the Jack Boots and the Brown Shirts - become Block Wardens and turn you in to be shipped off for 're-education.'

Better to steer clear of them...even if only for your equilibrium.

66 posted on 10/16/2008 10:54:09 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: DaveTesla

This is all about the “I” word. Intimidation.


67 posted on 10/16/2008 11:01:53 PM PDT by pray4liberty (The Lord is on the side of the truly righteous. The MSM is not.)
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To: maine-iac7
He's going to be on Huckabe's show Sat nite FOX - Hopefully, they'll bring out the lies they're telling about Joe and his boss - who, I think, should sue every outlet that lied about him not being licensed. That's not only personal defamation but can hurt his business. These are not public figures. They can't be lied about freely.

If Joe and his boss handle this right, they will really be rich. They should sue for defamation and they would win. Obama may decide to tax them double for it though...

They should also sue over that stinky rumor that Joe is related to Charles Keating's son-in-law (they share the same last name) if he's not.

68 posted on 10/16/2008 11:10:34 PM PDT by pray4liberty (The Lord is on the side of the truly righteous. The MSM is not.)
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To: maine-iac7
Better to steer clear of them...even if only for your equilibrium.

I probably will. We have gotten through seven years of many political controversies and even survived John effinkerry without any significant turmoil. But bambi is different, he really is another Mussollini...ugh barf vomit hurl.

69 posted on 10/16/2008 11:14:03 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: rhema
Plumbers certification Exam

The shit flows?

A. Uphill,

B. Downhill

C. Spontaneously

D. Shit is immovable

The location of the Hot knob is?

A. On the Right

B. On the Left

C. There is no standard

D. It depends which hemisphere you're in

Plumbers should?

A. Never wear a belt

B. Wear low rise jeans

C. Bend over frequently

D. All of the above

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God forbid someone should practice plumbing without governmental oversight!

Do I now have to rip out all of the plumbing I've fixed without a license?

70 posted on 10/17/2008 12:56:27 AM PDT by ME-262 (Stick it to the Man! - Demand term limits now!)
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To: Jeff Head

Thank you, Jesus!


71 posted on 10/17/2008 2:55:30 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: HerrBlucher
Is it even possible for democrats to find a more repulsive candidate?

But he doesn't come across as repulsive to those who want to believe the lie. He comes across as an educated caring individual. If he was repulsive no one would vote for him.

72 posted on 10/17/2008 4:10:17 AM PDT by Diva
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To: Parley Baer

Of course, the dems are throwing up a lot of chaff to obscure Joe’s words. That is what dems must do when they can’t (1) tell anyone what they really stand for or (2) apply logic to their various positions.

The McCain camp needs to use Joe the Plumber in a waterfall of ads. Joe has brought a moment of clarity to the difference between the Marxist Onada and McCain at precisely the right moment. I hope, despite the negative attention he’s getting from the MSM, Joe stays in the game. And I hope McCain is smart enough to understand the gifts he has been given. They are Gov. Palin and Joe the Plumber.


73 posted on 10/17/2008 6:11:02 AM PDT by dools007
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day
Amen!

Many more pics at the second link below!

JOE THE PLUMBER SLAMES OBAMA

SARAH PALIN STLL DRAWING HUGE CROWDS EVERYWHERE SHE GOES

Sarah and Joe...one two knockout punches!

74 posted on 10/17/2008 7:14:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: CommieCutter

That is a talking point now. Howard Wolfson was on FOX saying his name wasn’t really Joe too. It’s just insanity!


75 posted on 10/17/2008 7:28:18 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Parley Baer
The real story is Obama’s reply to Joe the Plumber. In his own words it tells what Obama stands for. Anything else is a red herring by the media.

AMEN!

76 posted on 10/17/2008 7:35:08 AM PDT by beachn4fun (This space left intentionally blank.)
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To: DaveTesla
LEAVE JOE THE PLUMBER ALONE!!!!LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!!
77 posted on 10/17/2008 9:41:14 AM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism)
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To: DaveTesla
Click HERE to watch "Joe The Plumber"...


78 posted on 10/18/2008 5:49:27 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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